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Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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No good side, but one is better than the other.

Which one? It's not obvious.

So you say that a country, which keeps putting itself into war over and over again, killing millions of people mostly based on lies they tell us, isn't evil?

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Not a FB user, so I'm genuinely curious what the GOP agenda is being surpressed?

I tend to get shadowbanned for mild posts — eg, publishing the NIH grant where they describe engineering viruses at WIV or the NIH letter saying they enhanced WIV-1. I wouldn’t describe it at Dem/GOP so much as narrative/against — but with the politics of COVID being what they are, there’s a correlation between Republicans objecting to various things and censorship. I’m apparently a “conspiracy theorist” and source o…

Is that what REALLY happened, or did you use those documents to claim that this was proof that Covid-19 was lab made and leaked?

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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I tend to get shadowbanned for mild posts — eg, publishing the NIH grant where they describe engineering viruses at WIV or the NIH letter saying they enhanced WIV-1. I wouldn’t describe it at Dem/GOP so much as narrative/against — but with the politics of COVID being what they are, there’s a correlation between Republicans objecting to various things and censorship. I’m apparently a “conspiracy theorist” and source o…

Is that what REALLY happened, or did you use those documents to claim that this was proof that Covid-19 was lab made and leaked?

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Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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It's not that the sanctions don't drive change fast enough - it's that they don't drive them, period. The only effective counter to Russia right now is direct military aid to Ukraine. But the rest of the world has chosen to re-enact 1938 all over again.

Many countries, including Canada, are sending military equipment or financial support to Ukraine. Its not an either / or proposition. If however by direct military aid you mean soldiers on the ground fighting Russians, then a) I agree that would be more effective and b) I think it's unlikely to happen because c) if we engage in second order thinking, I don't see how it ends well for anyone in the short term. That's t…

Norwegian authorities, when questioned directly, confirmed yesterday that it is legal for Norwegians to travel Ukraine and participate.

I know some went to Kurdistan on their own expense to help hunt down Daesh war criminals and further back I think some well known resistance fighters from second world war had experience from defending Finland before going back to Norway to fight the Nazis.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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> Now it’s just scary. And getting worse. > Let’s hope Ukraine will be able to resist long enough to force Putin to negotiate peace and to forget about any attempt to reach his goals along the Western borders of Russia by military means. I hope with you but the force asymmetry is large. But so far they have been doing much better than could have reasonably been expected. > It’s too bad that our hope is that enough Ru…

>I hope with you but the force asymmetry is large. But so far they have been doing much better than could have reasonably been expected. It is not that large. I remember an estimate of some strategist that you need 5x more firepower to win a battle in urban environment (cannot find the link, sorry). Even if Russia sends 20-30% of its entire army and national guard to Ukraine, this would mean only a parity with highly…

Yes, this is pretty accurate. 3:1 to 5:1 against entrenched defenders on home turf.

Very frustrating all this. Just one of Putin's entourage showing some courage would deal with this.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Many countries, including Canada, are sending military equipment or financial support to Ukraine. Its not an either / or proposition. If however by direct military aid you mean soldiers on the ground fighting Russians, then a) I agree that would be more effective and b) I think it's unlikely to happen because c) if we engage in second order thinking, I don't see how it ends well for anyone in the short term. That's t…

Once the bully starts hitting, the only option that actually solves the problem long term is everybody hitting back. Because you'll end up fighting the bully anyway sooner or later. But if it's later, there will be fewer left standing by your side.

I don't disagree.

The problem is

1. This Bully has nuclear weapons

2. This Bully has historically shown they are willing and able to take more pain for their cause.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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His posts reeks of unreflected self pity and all you can offer is whataboutism?

Yes, because I don't appreciate complex geopolitical issues being boiled down to "Russia bad, poor Ukraine." It's complicated and messy. Don't pretend like it's black-and-white.

Contrary to what you're insinuating, this is one of the clearest cases in recorded history of conflicts. Russia is the aggressor and started a territorial war against Ukraine - already in 2014, now turned into a full-scale invasion. You need to check your moral compass and brush up your knowledge of international relations and history.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Russia has a population of a 140 million people. It is utterly preposterous to believe not a single one uses Reddit AND doesn't agree with their government. Not to mention, where do you think those people would go? Maybe Reddit? Maybe that actually makes a ton of sense?

Did you see what's going on r/Russia? You can be banned not for your comment there but for the fact you are on another subreddit. No, not for your comment there! It's enough that others are against the Russian invasion.

I believe this subreddit is extremely harmful. Example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/russia/comments/t1ya3b/memo_to_the_...

Is there a way to stop it? This is propaganda in the open.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Once the bully starts hitting, the only option that actually solves the problem long term is everybody hitting back. Because you'll end up fighting the bully anyway sooner or later. But if it's later, there will be fewer left standing by your side.

I don't disagree. The problem is 1. This Bully has nuclear weapons 2. This Bully has historically shown they are willing and able to take more pain for their cause.

Indeed. But the bully also knows that using nukes would be the end of him, even if he gets to take everybody else along. Russia would absolutely use nukes if it's actually invaded, but a conventional military confrontation on foreign territory is a very different matter.

As for being willing to take more pain - you're right, that's a big part of the problem for the West. But it needs to understand that, just like in 1938, avoiding the bully only delays the inevitable, and the pain will still come eventually.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Well, for one it creates an impression that "common people" of Russia are against Putin (which is false, he regularly gets 70+ percent approval ratings [1]), and this might discourage more severe economic sanctions against Russia (because sanctions would affect those "common people" more than they would affect oligarchs) [ https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-ra... ]

I don’t understand this logic. How is it in interest of the propaganda machine to make it appear that common people are against Putin? Surely they want to portray that majority like him and support his actions (which is also why they manipulate these stats you linked). Also, Putin and his elite don’t actually give a damn about sanctions affecting “common people” (see eg post-Crimea sanctions), so I don’t see why they…

I think Russia has enough control over their home media that it actually can produce two separate narratives: one for the West, other domestic.
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