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Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by reaperducer »

skybrian wrote: post #88
dshpala wrote: post #86

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Heh, "point to Russians". I have several friends in Moscow, and up until the last few days they were in complete denial about Putin's intentions or troops buildup. There were memes, jokes, etc. The propaganda inside Russia is very strong. Russians need sanctions, they need to start suffering (economically or otherwise). And then maybe they'll wake up.

How much have they changed their minds in the last few days?

How much have they changed their minds in the last few days?

Enough that there are protests in most major Russian cities against the invasion of Ukraine.

Just yesterday, Moscow police arrested over 1,000 protesters. They can only keep up that pace for so long.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

#102

Post by reaperducer »

trasz wrote: post #94
thinkingemote wrote: post #73

A good tactic would be to point out to Russians that their government is censoring political things for them. They like to think they are free and above the hypocrisy of the west. But the key thing is the West allows it's citizens to criticise itself. The Russians do not have that freedom. It's basically becoming like China in the way of censorship and lack of freedom, to protect it's citizens and the fatherland. To…

> In repressive regimes there is no freedom to protest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_and_dissent_in_China "The number of annual protests has grown steadily since the early 1990s, from approximately 8,700 "mass group incidents" in 1993[1] to over 87,000 in 2005."

Those numbers are 17 years old. I think we need newer data than that to come to a conclusion.

The number of protests in Hong Kong has plummeted in the last two years. Even annual events have been cancelled because of the new laws that can land people in jail for even being near a protest site, or a historically/politically significant location at the wrong time.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by dave_sullivan »

MrYellowP wrote: post #99
gruez wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The propaganda inside Russia is very strong. Russians need sanctions, they need to start suffering (economically or otherwise). And then maybe they'll wake up. What makes you sure that it won't cement their position even more? Western countries hurting russia's economy via sanctions basically confirms the "evil westerners" narrative.

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No good side, but one is better than the other.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

thinkingemote wrote: post #73

A good tactic would be to point out to Russians that their government is censoring political things for them. They like to think they are free and above the hypocrisy of the west. But the key thing is the West allows it's citizens to criticise itself. The Russians do not have that freedom. It's basically becoming like China in the way of censorship and lack of freedom, to protect it's citizens and the fatherland. To…

> They like to think they are free and above the hypocrisy of the west.

This statement shows you have no idea what Russians like to think. Better stop embarrassing yourself further with such opinions.

Source: I'm actually Russian.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by emptysongglass »

qiskit wrote: post #97
thinkingemote wrote: post #73

A good tactic would be to point out to Russians that their government is censoring political things for them. They like to think they are free and above the hypocrisy of the west. But the key thing is the West allows it's citizens to criticise itself. The Russians do not have that freedom. It's basically becoming like China in the way of censorship and lack of freedom, to protect it's citizens and the fatherland. To…

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Many of your points aren't true at all. You appear to be trying to make a false balance (a term I learned today) by casting doubt on the censorship and brutal repression of protests we know China performs. We have a bounty of evidence that WeChat is heavily monitored and censored. You can in fact test it today. We know that the recent anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre was heavily censored and dissidents detained and silenced. We also know that public figures who speak out against the regime are disappeared. Of the very many, I will mention Peng Shuai who spoke out against her sexual abuse by a senior Party member.

So you don't appear to be making much of an argument at all, as even a cursory glance in the history books of the last year will reveal your false balance to be as empty as your accusation of its absurdity.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

reaperducer wrote: post #101
skybrian wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much have they changed their minds in the last few days?

How much have they changed their minds in the last few days? Enough that there are protests in most major Russian cities against the invasion of Ukraine. Just yesterday, Moscow police arrested over 1,000 protesters. They can only keep up that pace for so long.

The protests won't last long. Any protester risks getting a few years sentence going out every time, and russian prisons are hell on earth.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by 988747 »

the_af wrote: post #65
988747 wrote: post #59

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You can tell lies by saying nothing but the truth :) One example that comes to mind is the time of Solidarity revolution in Poland. It was a time where most Poles only had two TV channels (own by communists) and handful of radio stations (also controlled by communists) to choose from. Now, before the strike in Gdansk docks happened TV or radio did not cover crime rates at all. After the strike started, media started…

I understand lies by omission. But in this case we are being suspicious of alleged Russian teenagers saying they don't hate Ukraine but feel powerless to condition their own government in Russia. I mean, that's almost an anti-Putin statement, how can it be misconstrued as pro-Putin psyops?

Well, for one it creates an impression that "common people" of Russia are against Putin (which is false, he regularly gets 70+ percent approval ratings [1]), and this might discourage more severe economic sanctions against Russia (because sanctions would affect those "common people" more than they would affect oligarchs)

[https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-ra...]

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by toxik »

trasz wrote: post #94
thinkingemote wrote: post #73

A good tactic would be to point out to Russians that their government is censoring political things for them. They like to think they are free and above the hypocrisy of the west. But the key thing is the West allows it's citizens to criticise itself. The Russians do not have that freedom. It's basically becoming like China in the way of censorship and lack of freedom, to protect it's citizens and the fatherland. To…

> In repressive regimes there is no freedom to protest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_and_dissent_in_China "The number of annual protests has grown steadily since the early 1990s, from approximately 8,700 "mass group incidents" in 1993[1] to over 87,000 in 2005."

You have left out the part of that article that says that these protests are only about local issues and do not worry or concern the CCP.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by mensetmanusman »

qiskit wrote: post #97
thinkingemote wrote: post #73

A good tactic would be to point out to Russians that their government is censoring political things for them. They like to think they are free and above the hypocrisy of the west. But the key thing is the West allows it's citizens to criticise itself. The Russians do not have that freedom. It's basically becoming like China in the way of censorship and lack of freedom, to protect it's citizens and the fatherland. To…

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My colleague in China walked by a protest and accidentally pulled out his phone to check messages in sight of the protest.

He was interviewed by state police for 10 hours the next Saturday.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by slashdev »

MrYellowP wrote: post #99
gruez wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The propaganda inside Russia is very strong. Russians need sanctions, they need to start suffering (economically or otherwise). And then maybe they'll wake up. What makes you sure that it won't cement their position even more? Western countries hurting russia's economy via sanctions basically confirms the "evil westerners" narrative.

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Evil is a pretty strong word to toss around like that. The Nazis were evil. How is the West evil?

Western countries do a number of bad things, but they're not evil.

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