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I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

#191
Speak for yourself. The only reason TM2 is a free upgrade, or even coming out at all is that Sublime Text 2 is eating up the cash cow that was TM1 and soon TM user base will go away unless he does something about it.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

#192

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Now that we don't see comment scores, that isn't effective for publicly voicing agreement.

Why not? I don't learn anything from seeing the username of whoever posted "+1".

I also upvoted it. I was EXTRA agreeing with it.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

#193
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Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you can afford a macbook you can definitely pony up $60 for your main development tool . Dude's running a business, not a charity. Shit, I use vim. If you're so screwed for cash there are a couple of first class alternatives. EDIT: I use a macbook too. I think it's a great dev platform. It only represents about 5% of my yearly income, though. I doubt I'd be using it…

Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you promise your users a free upgrade and you break that promise. WHO THE FUCK WILL EVER TRUST YOU AGAIN? That's a lame excuse! Don't promise something that you can't keep. That just reflect badly on the company/developer. This is not about the money. It's about the integrity of a company.

Shit happens, man. I can't predict the future, can you? Sometimes you fuck up. If you own up to your mistakes, and they were reasonable mistakes, why shouldn't you be forgiven?

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

#194
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The macbook I use cost about the same as my current monthly salary and is probably equivalent to 4-6 months of discretionary spending. It's not technically mine, either. It belongs to the company I work for. Call me a "cheapskate" if you will, but there's no way I'd pay $60 USD for a text editor with the promise of a free upgrade, and then pay $60 again when the seller decided to renege on that promise. You make a lo…

>It's not technically mine, either. It belongs to the company I work for. Well, then you're probably not paying for your own licenses either. Ask your company dept to put in for a license. >The macbook I use cost about the same as my current monthly salary. You make a lot of money. Good for you. Well, then that means that it represents 8% of your yearly income instead of my 5%. I live in Canada; I suspect my cost of…

> Ask your company dept to put in for a license.

They're run like a business, not a charity, so I'm sure they'll be thrilled to support a fellow business reneging on an inconvenient contract.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

#196
What I like about the Free software is that if the main author dies or stops working on the project, I can pick up where he left off instead of write blog posts saying we should all give him more money.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

#197
The problem is that, from an accounting perspective, money that should've been funding TM2 is considered TM1 revenue. So it looks like he is giving away TM2 for free, even though many, including myself, only bought TM1 for TM2. I think Sublime Text is smart for charging for the ST2 beta in order to avoid this problem.

Macromates should've charged new customers for the TM2 beta while he had a chance years ago. I bought TM1 recently. There was no good reason I should've been paying for TM1 in late 2010. I should've been buying and helping to fund TM2 directly, even if it was an alpha release. I don't know what held up TM2 development, but Sublime Text 2 has shown that people are willing to pay for a broken unfinished product if it has potential. Now he has a whole bunch customers, myself included, to unnecessarily grandfather in.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

#198
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I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. I totally get paying when you don't have to in order to support fellow developers. I've got a nice collection of apps on my phone and desktop, all purchased, that I've acquired over the years to support my friends' development efforts. So if Marco wants to help out Macromates, that's fine. More power to him. But I don't understand this mantra of, "We'll forgive yo…

Parity with Emacs?

   M-x no-way-no-how

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

#199
post #92
post #67

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Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you can afford a macbook you can definitely pony up $60 for your main development tool . Dude's running a business, not a charity. Shit, I use vim. If you're so screwed for cash there are a couple of first class alternatives. EDIT: I use a macbook too. I think it's a great dev platform. It only represents about 5% of my yearly income, though. I doubt I'd be using it…

The macbook I use cost about the same as my current monthly salary and is probably equivalent to 4-6 months of discretionary spending. It's not technically mine, either. It belongs to the company I work for. Call me a "cheapskate" if you will, but there's no way I'd pay $60 USD for a text editor with the promise of a free upgrade, and then pay $60 again when the seller decided to renege on that promise. You make a lo…

Did you honestly only buy TextMate based on that promise of a free upgrade? Was that a legally acknowledged part of the contract of the sale?

I can’t help feeling that, if you weren’t satisfied with TM1 to some reasonable amount, you wouldn’t have been prepared to pay the original $60 for it. So you must have be relatively satisfied. Or have you been using TM1 under sufferance all these years or not using it at all but effectively just made an early purchase of TM2. Neither of those seem particularly likely to me.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

#200

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People break contracts all the time. In fact, if you are losing money on a deal it's your duty as a rational actor to break your contract. Underwater on your mortgage? Foreclose it.

OMG! Seriously? What kind of stupid logic is that? If you use this line with your business, prepare for the shit storm that will come to your way. I'll report you to the BBB, file a law suit against you and pre up a class action law suit to rape you into bankruptcy and make sure no one will ever do business with you again. You agree to a contact and now you want to back out of it. Yes, people break contacts all the t…

There are a lot of BS contracts out there, you know. People often don’t even read what they sign. That’s why whenever there’s a contact violation you need an entire legal procedure to work out a) whether it happened b) whether the contract was legal in the first place c) whether the judge actually cares and will just overrule it because they want to create a better society—not enough of this BTW.

Then there’s the fact that this promise Allan made probably wasn’t even properly contractually codified.

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