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I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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post #119

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> Dude's running a business, not a charity. So everyone should give him more money than he originally agreed to take to provide a product? Sounds like an, uh, donation.

People break contracts all the time. In fact, if you are losing money on a deal it's your duty as a rational actor to break your contract. Underwater on your mortgage? Foreclose it.

That's gonna hurt the credit score.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. I totally get paying when you don't have to in order to support fellow developers. I've got a nice collection of apps on my phone and desktop, all purchased, that I've acquired over the years to support my friends' development efforts. So if Marco wants to help out Macromates, that's fine. More power to him. But I don't understand this mantra of, "We'll forgive yo…

It's quite simple. On the one hand, hold him to his promise (because after all a man's word is his bond) and get no TM2. On the other hand, allow him to renig on his promise (sacrificing your ideals of what is right, just and fair, and another $60) and get TM2.

To some people- not all people- having TM2 is more valuable than sticking to their idealogical guns.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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post #67

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You're making the same faulty assumption that Marco does: that everyone who bought TextMate is a fellow software developer living in a wealthy nation. Many of the "cheapskates in here" are happy to pay twice, but recognize that it's a privilege to be able to do so.

Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you can afford a macbook you can definitely pony up $60 for your main development tool . Dude's running a business, not a charity. Shit, I use vim. If you're so screwed for cash there are a couple of first class alternatives. EDIT: I use a macbook too. I think it's a great dev platform. It only represents about 5% of my yearly income, though. I doubt I'd be using it…

Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you promise your users a free upgrade and you break that promise. WHO THE FUCK WILL EVER TRUST YOU AGAIN? That's a lame excuse! Don't promise something that you can't keep. That just reflect badly on the company/developer. This is not about the money. It's about the integrity of a company.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're making the same faulty assumption that Marco does: that everyone who bought TextMate is a fellow software developer living in a wealthy nation. Many of the "cheapskates in here" are happy to pay twice, but recognize that it's a privilege to be able to do so.

Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you can afford a macbook you can definitely pony up $60 for your main development tool . Dude's running a business, not a charity. Shit, I use vim. If you're so screwed for cash there are a couple of first class alternatives. EDIT: I use a macbook too. I think it's a great dev platform. It only represents about 5% of my yearly income, though. I doubt I'd be using it…

Hate these elitist comments (hope you get hellbanned, I sincerely do).

Most of the people I know got their macbooks by giving up a large chunk of their salary (some people earn less than its price). But they bought it anyway since its a solid development platform (and they wanted to venture into the iOS platform). Some gave up a large chunk of their scholarship. Some got it from their company and some bought it second hand from someone going abroad and wanted to shed some wait so sold it at a very small price. Almost no one was very comfortable paying the price of the first license since 60$ was a lot of money (even more so back then) but they thought it will pay out in the long term. They already feel cheated that they had to wait more than a few years for the next update. But it was a good tool none the less.

>Dude's running a business, not a charity.

Yes, exactly. So at the least you gather that. When MS or Apple says something related to license they do it. Apple recently told new customers don't wait till the next OSX upgrade to buy your new macbook, buy it now and we would give you an upgrade free of cost. And they did exactly that. How is this promise different. If he made a mistake in calculating initial cost, its his mistake and he has to own up to it. Why punish the customers? Not everybody who develops on a macbook lives in a first world country. You have a sick elitist mentality.

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PS:

>Bro, c'mon now

I have been on and off for a while,I missed when Jersey Shore hit HN.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Dude's running a business, not a charity. So everyone should give him more money than he originally agreed to take to provide a product? Sounds like an, uh, donation.

People break contracts all the time. In fact, if you are losing money on a deal it's your duty as a rational actor to break your contract. Underwater on your mortgage? Foreclose it.

Yes and you are likely to have some ramifications for breaking said contract. Most of the comments here are along the lines of not agreeing with marco's sentiment of we won't fault you. They will fault him and his breaking of the contract will not be all cheers.

If I were a textmate user I would be looking at alternatives that actually deliver updates in a timely manner and don't break promises.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

#147
post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Dude's running a business, not a charity. So everyone should give him more money than he originally agreed to take to provide a product? Sounds like an, uh, donation.

People break contracts all the time. In fact, if you are losing money on a deal it's your duty as a rational actor to break your contract. Underwater on your mortgage? Foreclose it.

OMG! Seriously? What kind of stupid logic is that? If you use this line with your business, prepare for the shit storm that will come to your way. I'll report you to the BBB, file a law suit against you and pre up a class action law suit to rape you into bankruptcy and make sure no one will ever do business with you again.

You agree to a contact and now you want to back out of it. Yes, people break contacts all the time but be prepare for a shit storm that will rip you apart.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Please add your +1 by hitting the up arrow next to the comment.

Now that we don't see comment scores, that isn't effective for publicly voicing agreement.

Why not? I don't learn anything from seeing the username of whoever posted "+1".

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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post #16
post #13

I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. I totally get paying when you don't have to in order to support fellow developers. I've got a nice collection of apps on my phone and desktop, all purchased, that I've acquired over the years to support my friends' development efforts. So if Marco wants to help out Macromates, that's fine. More power to him. But I don't understand this mantra of, "We'll forgive yo…

> I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. Like, say, tipping at a nice restaurant. You may not like the food, but it seems others did, and they want to demonstrate that to the chef.

Your example is horrid. Tips are in no way a signal to the chef.

In fact, you're "supposed" to tip about the same for a poorly cooked meal as a good one so as to avoid unreasonably short-changing your server who had nothing to do with the quality.

Tips are merely how restaurants get away with lying about their prices. They don't pay their employees minimum wage knowing you'll be gullible enough to pay the unannounced post-bill markup without a fuss.

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