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Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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> ...how the USA / EU policies have put the Ukrainian people in incredible danger for their own political motive. Please excuse my ignorance but how did the US and EU put the UA people in danger?

I want to preface this by saying that I 100% disagree with the war in Ukraine and the Russian infiltration and my heart goes out to the Ukrainian people. Also, please feel free to correct me or argue these points! A few ways: 1. NATO is largely an anti-Russian coalition. With many of its boarder neighboring countries being part of it. You can google the map and you will see the strategic position of those countries.…

> 1. NATO is largely an anti-Russian coalition

Factually incorrect, the word 'Russia' doesn't appear in NATO's charter, it is first and foremost a security pact. That Russia ends up in the position of the main party to worry about is in principle unrelated to that, but obviously it is the reality, as Russia has proven beyond any doubt now.

> You can google the map and you will see the strategic position of those countries.

Those countries were and are where they always were, and they were happy to join NATO precisely because they feel threatened by Russia, which is not without reason, they were under Russian occupation for decades.

> In the West, only Belarus and Ukraine have not been added to this list of Russian neighboring countries.

You missed Sweden and Finland.

Belarus is a vassal state of Russia, and does not have a functioning democracy. Ukraine has asked to join but this has to date not happened. The fact that it just so happened to be Ukraine that is attacked seems to lend credence to the fact that being a NATO member has its advantages and that those countries made the right decision.

> The USA & EU has been running military drills at those locations for many decades in an act of intimidation.

No, you run military drills to ensure that if and when you ever need them they will work, if you need to figure that stuff out - especially with multiple nations operating together - when you need it then you have already lost.

FWIW Russia does exactly the same thing.

> 2. Sanctions are effecting mostly the everyday people of Russia.

Yes.

> This is gathering more support internally for Putin’s aggression.

You have cause and effect reversed.

> 3. The Ukraine has a major movement toward the west in the last decade.

Which they were entirely free to make. Russia needs to 'stay in its lane'.

> Making Ukraine NATO would be another enemy at the boarder and this would be unfavorable for the Russian’s.

Note that you want to see NATO as 'the enemy'.

> 4. There has been no attempt by the USA to work with Putin or the Russian officials.

The USA is not involved in this conflict. China hasn't attempted to work with Putin or Russian officials either. And FWIW those Russian officials that were worked with were lying through their teeth, which is on the record.

> Even using Russia as a scapegoat for the Wikileaks dump in 2016.

Which has nothing to do with Ukraine.

> And of course so, so much more anti Russian sentiment in our media ahead of this.

'our'?

> 5. Biden and his sons involvement in the Ukraine (as reported on in 2020 by some of the US media) shows the constant strain that the Ukrainians are under.

Not relevant.

> A pawn between the USA and Russia.

In your mind, perhaps, but not in the mind of Europeans or Ukrainians for that matter, who mostly just want to get on with their lives, which a deranged dictator has now made impossible. This confrontation is on Russia and Russia alone, and any kind of attempts to whitewash it or to paint some alternative story is so much bs.

> Open to thoughts and opinions by everyone!

If anything the EU and the US should have done more, not less to arm the Ukraine, but they were under the mistaken impression that that would trigger a Russian response, if they had known then what we know now I'm fairly sure the situation would be completely different. But we're on to it now, and those that still aren't will wake up soon enough.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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> Russia is a lot more than its military dictators, it is the russian people you are talking about harming. Yes, and I'm sorry about that. But that is the country that is currently invading another country. > Should cancer patients in Oklahoma not be permitted to buy chemotherapy medications because Bush invaded Iraq? I'm out of patience for the day for silly arguments, sorry. > We banned collective punishment in the…

I have sympathy for the innocent people on all sides of these invisible lines who are or will be harmed by the criminal, violent actions of a tiny minority. Nationality does not enter in to it at all. Using techniques that will not affect those who caused the war, while severely punishing those who are not involved in the war (simply because of where they live), will not help the situation, it will make it worse.

Sanctions are a required step in this process, it is annoying but that's how it is. Skipping that step would require a far stronger response at this stage, and that is really going to punish people that are bystanders. But it may well come to that.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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> ...how the USA / EU policies have put the Ukrainian people in incredible danger for their own political motive. Please excuse my ignorance but how did the US and EU put the UA people in danger?

I want to preface this by saying that I 100% disagree with the war in Ukraine and the Russian infiltration and my heart goes out to the Ukrainian people. Also, please feel free to correct me or argue these points! A few ways: 1. NATO is largely an anti-Russian coalition. With many of its boarder neighboring countries being part of it. You can google the map and you will see the strategic position of those countries.…

Thanks for sharing that perspective. I'm curious if those NATO members bordering Russia were pressured into joining by the US/EU or felt compelled by other outside influence.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

#245

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I want to preface this by saying that I 100% disagree with the war in Ukraine and the Russian infiltration and my heart goes out to the Ukrainian people. Also, please feel free to correct me or argue these points! A few ways: 1. NATO is largely an anti-Russian coalition. With many of its boarder neighboring countries being part of it. You can google the map and you will see the strategic position of those countries.…

Thanks for sharing that perspective. I'm curious if those NATO members bordering Russia were pressured into joining by the US/EU or felt compelled by other outside influence.

The third option: they were asking pro actively to be allowed to join.

This is pretty well documented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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It's not that simple. What about the 14,000 killed in the DPR and LPR over the past years?

His posts reeks of unreflected self pity and all you can offer is whataboutism?

Yes, because I don't appreciate complex geopolitical issues being boiled down to "Russia bad, poor Ukraine." It's complicated and messy. Don't pretend like it's black-and-white.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Sorry, you keep repeating that linking strikes in 1980, but the freedom came 10 years later (after Soviet union collapse). Those protests gave us (I mean as a consequence, not to say they were not justified) martial law and so called "lost decade". Miserable time. I also hope for a big change in Russia after some revolution, but it is not that simple under a strict dictatorship.

Yes, it took a years, so what? Poland showed the way for all of the USSR satellite states and was instrumental in the collapse of the union. I know that America likes to take credit for this through their financing and support of Afghanistan during the Russian-Afghan war but I am pretty sure that that does not properly credit all of the players. The protests gave you martial law and the lost decade, but they also gav…

I'm reminded of reddit saying they're going to shut down the USA with protest if Trump fired Mueller. Easy to say "You all should do X!", but even in the US people said "well if I skip work to protest I'll lose my job.".

Telling others they should endure a decade of pain... Hah, would you do the same, in their position? (I guess the keyboard warriors will say yes...)

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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And I forgot to ask a question. Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? Because we are not able to stand against gov? Well, we are not able. And I think noone would be able if there is such a law and permissions of authorities. And for sure we, who know English(ok, not as good like any EU-person knows) and not working in gov-structures are the most small part of russians who have different opinion

>> Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? I feel bad for people in Russia who don't want that war either, sanctions will hurt. But: 1. Sanctions are a way to exert pressure and say "don't DO that". They're supposed to hurt. The other effective way to send that message is to use actual force. I'm sure people of Russia would prefer that less . 2. As a kid from Sarajevo, I feel Ukrainan's pain a LOT…

Sanctions that hurt the general populace are not an "effective message" for the simple reason that said general populace is not in charge of "DOING that".

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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And I forgot to ask a question. Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? Because we are not able to stand against gov? Well, we are not able. And I think noone would be able if there is such a law and permissions of authorities. And for sure we, who know English(ok, not as good like any EU-person knows) and not working in gov-structures are the most small part of russians who have different opinion

> Why do you think that we all should feel pain of sanctions? Because we are not able to stand against gov? Well, we are not able. Every person can. That's why sanctions exist: to incentivize a government to focus on its people and isolate a violent government from the world, or conversely, for a people to hold their government accountable. What would you propose the world do instead of sanctions when diplomacy alone…

Did sanctions ever achieve this?

If the West actually wants to defend Ukraine, it needs to intervene militarily. If it doesn't, then it shouldn't try to placate its conscience with meaningless token gestures.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

#250

Is this the first big nation military conflict in the era of ubiquitous video streaming ? It feels like this is de-staging the aggression, you see more details, you see more failures, it feels less impressive than past fights on TV for instance.

All the US conflicts in the past 10 years were in the era of ubiquitous video streaming.

The difference here is that the conflict is happening in the part of the world where the majority of people have smartphones and Internet access, and belong to the culture where sharing "interesting things" online is routine.
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