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Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by witrak »

graphpercolator wrote: post #48
TameAntelope wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but I assume 100% of Russian content on Reddit is manufactured. Their government has just invested so much into psyops that it successfully undermined legitimate engagement (for me).

Russia has a population of a 140 million people. It is utterly preposterous to believe not a single one uses Reddit AND doesn't agree with their government. Not to mention, where do you think those people would go? Maybe Reddit? Maybe that actually makes a ton of sense?

Did you see what's going on r/Russia? You can be banned not for your comment there but for the fact you are on another subreddit. No, not for your comment there! It's enough that others are against the Russian invasion.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

cutemonster wrote: post #121
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #112

Russian here. Most comments here are pure nonsense. The only reason Facebook risks getting blocked is because in Russia it is predominantly used by dissidents and people in opposition to Putin's regime. It doesn't block groups, events, etc at Kremlin's behest. So it should be blocked. Upd: many commenters here clearly misread my comment, or maybe it's my poor English. "It should be blocked" means that it is in Putin'…

It sounds as if you think FB should block things at Kremlin's behest, and since FB doesn't, it deserves to get blocked itself -- is that what you meant? (Or did you mean that therefore it was logical for Putin to block FB? Or, well, maybe you wrote something different from what you wanted to write, not being a native English speaker)

It is logical for Putin to block Facebook, but better under some pretext.

I don't support Putin's policy in the slightest, up to the point of being detained by the police at a protest rallies.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by [deleted] »

thinkingemote wrote: post #73

A good tactic would be to point out to Russians that their government is censoring political things for them. They like to think they are free and above the hypocrisy of the west. But the key thing is the West allows it's citizens to criticise itself. The Russians do not have that freedom. It's basically becoming like China in the way of censorship and lack of freedom, to protect it's citizens and the fatherland. To…

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Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by alexryndin »

chinathrow wrote: post #135
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #104

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> They like to think they are free and above the hypocrisy of the west. This statement shows you have no idea what Russians like to think. Better stop embarrassing yourself further with such opinions. Source: I'm actually Russian.

Enlighten us then.

I like to think that peaceful EU and USA continue to pump Ukraine with weapons in this fratricidal war. I also like to think that in recent days many countries have blocked a number of Russian media while continuing to pretend that they are actually fighting for freedom of speech.

Source: I'm Russian too.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by stavros »

alexryndin wrote: post #144
chinathrow wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enlighten us then.

I like to think that peaceful EU and USA continue to pump Ukraine with weapons in this fratricidal war. I also like to think that in recent days many countries have blocked a number of Russian media while continuing to pretend that they are actually fighting for freedom of speech. Source: I'm Russian too.

I find it interesting that you have an issue with the other side having guns.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by netXten »

Hi, Russian here, located in Moscow. I don’t root for our president and current operation in UA is not something I like. I had to say words above, sorry, and that words are true since I am mostly committed to western values. Facebook would be restricted in Russia because they don’t allow gov to publish their views, opinion and their “truth”, like any other gov can. There are also intentions to block youtube and any other platform, which have many russian users and which block different “zvezda”-like channels/accounts. I also think no any real user watches “zvezda”-channel on youtube or any other internet-platform. Additionally, I think that “if you own a house, you could no be required to allow anyone to live with you”

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by alexryndin »

witrak wrote: post #122
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They like to think they are free and above the hypocrisy of the west. This statement shows you have no idea what Russians like to think. Better stop embarrassing yourself further with such opinions. Source: I'm actually Russian.

You seem to believe strongly that the fact that you are Russian makes your opinion of what Russians think (or not think) absolutely true.

ofc the fact that I'm Russian don't make me think that my opinion is true, and yet I strongly don't like when someone describes the opinions and thinking of all Russians without exception, sometimes don't even trying to study and understand the roots of the problem between our countries.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by colinmhayes »

cutemonster wrote: post #127
abdullin wrote: post #23

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(lived in Russia until 2021, not authorative source of info) All ISP providers are required to have black boxes installed on-site. These boxes can do traffic shaping (e.g. Twitter is degraded) and basic filtering based on IP addresses. I think, deep packet inspection is also feasible. Config updates are pushed centrally to these boxes. Self-managed VPNs still work.

What about Tor? Or if Twitter gets more IP addresses, they'll work for a short while, until black box config updated?

Tor provides degraded access without government intervention.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by alexryndin »

gruez wrote: post #90
dshpala wrote: post #86

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Heh, "point to Russians". I have several friends in Moscow, and up until the last few days they were in complete denial about Putin's intentions or troops buildup. There were memes, jokes, etc. The propaganda inside Russia is very strong. Russians need sanctions, they need to start suffering (economically or otherwise). And then maybe they'll wake up.

>The propaganda inside Russia is very strong. Russians need sanctions, they need to start suffering (economically or otherwise). And then maybe they'll wake up. What makes you sure that it won't cement their position even more? Western countries hurting russia's economy via sanctions basically confirms the "evil westerners" narrative.

> they need to start suffering

You just stated that the people of the whole country need to start suffering. There already was period in our history when one politicial stated that we must all be destroyed as an ethnic group and our lands repopulated, and that was not good at all.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by alexryndin »

stavros wrote: post #145
alexryndin wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like to think that peaceful EU and USA continue to pump Ukraine with weapons in this fratricidal war. I also like to think that in recent days many countries have blocked a number of Russian media while continuing to pretend that they are actually fighting for freedom of speech. Source: I'm Russian too.

I find it interesting that you have an issue with the other side having guns.

I have an issue when the other side have guns _and_ use it against their own people for 8 years. Yeah, I have strong issue with that.
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