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No good side, but one is better than the other.
Which one? It's not obvious.
Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media
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Strangely, it was obvious to both sides in the US election that Facebook was pushing the agenda of the other side.
The parent poster never said their "side" was Democrat or Republican, only that it was Facebook's political agenda. Facebook's agenda is promoting the maximum amount of outrage so it can increase engagement. You can play all sides of the political spectrum to achieve that.
That's true. But that's not what people mean when they accuse Facebook or Twitter about having their political agenda.
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Many of your points aren't true at all. You appear to be trying to make a false balance (a term I learned today) by casting doubt on the censorship and brutal repression of protests we know China performs. We have a bounty of evidence that WeChat is heavily monitored and censored. You can in fact test it today. We know that the recent anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre was heavily censored and dissidents de…
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>> We have a bounty of evidence that WeChat is heavily monitored and censored.
> Amazing. All social media is heavily monitored and censored everywhere. We can argue degrees but it's all censored.
Well, similarly we could argue is a real difference between firecrackers and thousand pounds bombs.
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How much have they changed their minds in the last few days?
How much have they changed their minds in the last few days? Enough that there are protests in most major Russian cities against the invasion of Ukraine. Just yesterday, Moscow police arrested over 1,000 protesters. They can only keep up that pace for so long.
150,000 people in Washington, DC, protested the Iraq war when it was getting started.
It, uh, didn't accomplish much. I'm not sure that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is any more inclined to listen to protests than the Department of State was.
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#135A good tactic would be to point out to Russians that their government is censoring political things for them. They like to think they are free and above the hypocrisy of the west. But the key thing is the West allows it's citizens to criticise itself. The Russians do not have that freedom. It's basically becoming like China in the way of censorship and lack of freedom, to protect it's citizens and the fatherland. To…
> They like to think they are free and above the hypocrisy of the west. This statement shows you have no idea what Russians like to think. Better stop embarrassing yourself further with such opinions. Source: I'm actually Russian.
Enlighten us then.
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#136No fan of Russia, but to pretend that facebook is some neutral platform that isn't trying to push their own political agenda is naive.
Content moderation is hard and Facebook often makes mistakes and sometimes even intentionally does harmful stuff vs Russia invading its neighbor with no justification at all.
Yeah, that‘s a comparison that does make sense to make. I’m sarcastic here.
Are people deliberately missing the point or intentionally evil?
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Evil is a pretty strong word to toss around like that. The Nazis were evil. How is the West evil? Western countries do a number of bad things, but they're not evil.
Drone assassination programs are pretty evil. Oh wait, did you mean evil to us , or evil to everybody else?
The parent asserted that Nazis are evil. While I'm sure there is a range of behaviors that constitute "evil" I don't think a drone assassination campaign in any way compares to the deliberate and systematic attempt to remove all members of certain groups (i.e. Jewish people, among others) from Earth.
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#138Ukraine banned vkontakte since 2017. Just to add some perspective. "This is different" I guess.
It's different because Russian sites contain ONLY propaganda, and dissent from the state is ALWAYS silenced. Take this this propaganda false equivalence nonsense and shove it.
Vk is more of an amplifier than its own propaganda channel. (Like Facebook sometimes)
There are also very different people on there.
Banning shit like RT or other Russian state media makes more sense.
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(lived in Russia until 2021, not authorative source of info) All ISP providers are required to have black boxes installed on-site. These boxes can do traffic shaping (e.g. Twitter is degraded) and basic filtering based on IP addresses. I think, deep packet inspection is also feasible. Config updates are pushed centrally to these boxes. Self-managed VPNs still work.
What about Tor? Or if Twitter gets more IP addresses, they'll work for a short while, until black box config updated?
Tor is for nerds, they don't count. You can't expect regular people to run Tor on their phones.