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Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by vkou »

seattle_spring wrote: post #40
pyronik19 wrote: post #15

No fan of Russia, but to pretend that facebook is some neutral platform that isn't trying to push their own political agenda is naive.

Moderating away rule breaking content that most people don't want to see is very much akin to disallowing state-sponsored war propaganda: a good thing.

Okay but we allow our state sponsored war propaganda on it.

At some point, many free speech maximalists get driven into an ethical corner. This is one of them, and we discover that all of a sudden, many of them only support propaganda that they like. (But they will bend over backwards trying to come up with weak reasons for why bullshit from RT is totally different from bullshit from Qanon.)

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by el_ravager »

throwaway_4ever wrote: post #47
erichocean wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone invented an algorithm to enable network effects on decentralized networks, they'd secure a place in computing history.

Open protocols (HTTP and email) have even greater network effects than closed solutions (Facebook). However, you still need a strong push in the beginning, which protocols don’t usually have the funding while VC burns $100 million in an initial push.

Unfortunately, it just doesn't seem to be the kind of problem that capitalism is able to solve.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by marginalia_nu »

graphpercolator wrote: post #49
marginalia_nu wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't Russians mostly on VK and Yandex anyway?

Yea of a 140 million people they all agree with Putin. 0% disagree with Putin and even if they did 0% would use Reddit to communicate with people outside of Russia. Come on.

Well my point is that if you shut down Russian access to western services, the Russians go to Russian services and only see what the Kremlin wants them to see. This doesn't harm Putin, it effectively helps him undo Glasnost.

If the Russian people can't read CNN, they read Pravda.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by [deleted] »

d0mine wrote: post #54
givemeethekeys wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the US conflicts in the past 10 years were in the era of ubiquitous video streaming.

US showed it can kill journalists (!) who are not aligned enough (remember wikileaks video). It might skew how wars are portrayed.

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Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by the_af »

988747 wrote: post #59
the_af wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "see look, the Russian people don't approve of this! Don't punish them with sanctions!" But there have already been demonstrations against this war in Russia, with detainees and video footage showing this. And if you don't trust the footage, I'm sure someone knows someone in Russia who can attest to this. So we know at least some people in Russia don't support the invasion. More importantly, in my opinion: that kin…

You can tell lies by saying nothing but the truth :) One example that comes to mind is the time of Solidarity revolution in Poland. It was a time where most Poles only had two TV channels (own by communists) and handful of radio stations (also controlled by communists) to choose from. Now, before the strike in Gdansk docks happened TV or radio did not cover crime rates at all. After the strike started, media started…

I understand lies by omission.

But in this case we are being suspicious of alleged Russian teenagers saying they don't hate Ukraine but feel powerless to condition their own government in Russia. I mean, that's almost an anti-Putin statement, how can it be misconstrued as pro-Putin psyops?

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Post by oceanplexian »

jonas21 wrote: post #43
deutschewelle wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why this comment is being downvoted, there is credible evidences that support this view, if not obvious from the US elctions

Strangely, it was obvious to both sides in the US election that Facebook was pushing the agenda of the other side.

The parent poster never said their "side" was Democrat or Republican, only that it was Facebook's political agenda. Facebook's agenda is promoting the maximum amount of outrage so it can increase engagement. You can play all sides of the political spectrum to achieve that.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by emteycz »

rr808 wrote: post #57

Telegram is main social media platform of this war. Kinda weird to connect to Russian SM to find out what other side is saying (with Google translate). https://t.me/s/wargonzo https://t.me/s/sashakots https://t.me/s/MedvedevVesti

What do you mean by connecting to Russian servers? Telegram has nothing to do with Russia.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by MrYellowP »

d0mine wrote: post #54
givemeethekeys wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the US conflicts in the past 10 years were in the era of ubiquitous video streaming.

US showed it can kill journalists (!) who are not aligned enough (remember wikileaks video). It might skew how wars are portrayed.

No post body was provided.

Re: Russia to restrict Facebook access for 'censoring' its media

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Post by kahrl »

vbezhenar wrote: post #51

Ukraine banned vkontakte since 2017. Just to add some perspective. "This is different" I guess.

It's different because Russian sites contain ONLY propaganda, and dissent from the state is ALWAYS silenced.

Take this this propaganda false equivalence nonsense and shove it.

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