Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

Post by LtdJorge » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 3:03 PM UTC

blindmute wrote: post #438

voldacar wrote: post #273

It's nice to see the anti seed oil discourse ramping up lately, but I'm sort of pessimistic about this. Like what is the endgame, exactly? Seed oils are in basically everything. Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. It's sort of an absurd thing to even attempt, it would drive you insane.

I don't understand what you mean. Seed oils aren't in most things; if seed oil is in even half the food you eat, your diet is likely appalling. I'm pretty sure I haven't eaten seed oil in at least a few months. I mean yeah if you're eating Doritos, sure, but it's really not that hard to cook from whole foods. Plastic is much harder to avoid; not even remotely close I'd say.

Post by loudtieblahblah » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 3:53 PM UTC

chihuahua wrote: post #428

collegeburner wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm I don't know that I have to be either strictly, I'm thinking about cutting down my intake mostly of meat but also things like eggs that can carry through higher concentrations. Plus if there is some good complete plant protein that tastes fine, I hope maybe it's cheaper (eating lots of protein is expensive LOL)

I really like canned black beans. They have a decent amount of protein and fiber, they taste good, they're pretty cheap, and you just have to heat them up. Lentils are also good, but they take a while to cook. I use the white rice setting on the rice cooker.

Post by adrian_b » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 4:06 PM UTC

slothtrop wrote: post #129

shadowgovt wrote: post #50

> In all likelihood, it is not healthy for humans. I'm sure their mouse studies are showing them something, but this is the kind of bold claim that wants to be tested anthropologically as much as bio-pharmacologically. China is the leading consumer of soybean oil. It's been a dietary staple since the 11th century. Any claim it's generally unhealthy has to reconcile with the fact that it's been used for 1000+ years. P…

In aggregate it has, but the processing and quality of the oil has certainly changed. Notwithstanding, there has been a steep increase in total consumption of vegetable oil since the mid 20th century, owing to boxed / processed products. It's possible that the primary issue is oil consumption is not as moderate as it was.

Post by slothtrop » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 4:41 PM UTC

adrian_b wrote: post #445

slothtrop wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In aggregate it has, but the processing and quality of the oil has certainly changed. Notwithstanding, there has been a steep increase in total consumption of vegetable oil since the mid 20th century, owing to boxed / processed products. It's possible that the primary issue is oil consumption is not as moderate as it was.

Yes, the fact that the Chinese have been using soybean oil for one thousand years may be completely irrelevant for the properties of the soybean oil produced today. Until last century, the oil was produced by pressing. Now it is produced by solvent extraction, which extracts much more oil, but it may also extract other substances, which were not extracted by pressing. The research commented here has shown that not th…

Post by undersuit » Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 5:10 PM UTC

unbalancedevh wrote: post #444

undersuit wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we don't. Canola is a trademark for a seed oil with low erucic acid, but it's still rapeseed oil, just like Cosmic Crisp is still just an apple.

Being low in erucic acid is a significant difference, making it more marketable. It isn't "just" rapeseed oil. And Granny Smith apples are green. I don't think anyone would ever mistake one for a Red Delicious apple.