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Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by vlovich123 »

jaywalk wrote: post #28
UnlockedSecrets wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chernobyl has a nice road that happens to be the shortest road between Kyiv the Ukraine capital and Russia. It also still has several active reactors only 1 of them melted down so that gives some strategic merit byt the road is 99% of it.

All reactors at Chernobyl have been shutdown since 2000. I have been amazed lately at how many people are unaware of this and think Chernobyl is still an operating nuclear power plant.

I had the opposite perception and thought no reactors were active since the explosion.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by keewee7 »

sschueller wrote: post #17

What strategic purpose would taking Chernobyl have other than maybe securing the site and preventing someone from blowing a hole in the sarcophagus?

The posh ruling elite in Moscow and StP want to deceive the West into thinking Russia is a mad dog that is too dangerous to bother. They want to scare the West from imposing total economic sanctions. They want to scare the West from supplying the Ukrainian resistance.

Always remember Russia is a rational actor no matter how much Putin and Lavrov are fear mongering about sanctions leading to a nuclear WW3. The French foreign minister was the first to call out their bluff yesterday. I hope more Western leaders will follow.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by yaris »

newsclues wrote: post #20
sschueller wrote: post #17

What strategic purpose would taking Chernobyl have other than maybe securing the site and preventing someone from blowing a hole in the sarcophagus?

You hold a position to launch attacks from that are hard to counter attack. Setup your artillery there and they can’t just shell the area back out of fear of causing a nuclear disaster. IMO, the UN should have stepped in and taken control of the nuclear zone. There is a global risk here.

From some russian sources I’ve read that Chernobyl has been taken by Belarus soldiers, not russians. Because Belarus guys are sensitive to anything going on around Chernobyl and want to secure the site.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by elil17 »

perihelions wrote: post #16
elil17 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the source shown, but the Ukrainian Parliament has tweeted a similar radiation map: https://twitter.com/ua_parliament/status/1497108007863435279

Yes, that's the tweet I quoted and am asking about. (It's the tweet that's double-RT'd by the tweet that's the HN submission).

Oops, my bad. But I would think that most people would consider the Parliament of Ukraine an official source - surely they have direct access to radiation data?

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by perihelions »

elil17 wrote: post #35
perihelions wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's the tweet I quoted and am asking about. (It's the tweet that's double-RT'd by the tweet that's the HN submission).

Oops, my bad. But I would think that most people would consider the Parliament of Ukraine an official source - surely they have direct access to radiation data?

That doesn't terminate my curiosity.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by teeray »

sschueller wrote: post #17

What strategic purpose would taking Chernobyl have other than maybe securing the site and preventing someone from blowing a hole in the sarcophagus?

It still has functioning reactors, so I’d imagine it’s the same as the time-old military strategy: secure the supply lines. In modern times, electricity is vital to an enemy’s defensive capabilities, so depriving them of it forces them to use generators with exhaustible fuel supplies.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by perihelions »

capableweb wrote: post #22
perihelions wrote: post #5

- "Data from the automated radiation monitoring system of the exclusion zone, which is available online," Where is this official source?

Other comments mention some sources, here are two more: - EU-EC JRC - Radioactivity Environmental Monitoring - https://remap.jrc.ec.europa.eu/Advanced.aspx (not granular enough to detect anything) - SafeCast - https://map.safecast.org/?y=51.361&x=30.123&z=11&l=0&m=0 (does detect high levels right now)

I had checked those already, but neither have the Chernobyl dataset. (They don't have any recent data either -- nothing that could independently confirm stuff).

- "(does detect high levels right now)"

Those aren't recent measurements: right-click on the map to see their timestamps ("Query Safecast API Here").

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by mtmail »

perihelions wrote: post #11
mtmail wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the screenshots is https://www.saveecobot.com/en/radiation-maps#11/51.3463/30.1... (related discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30461521 )

This HN comment says archive.org never saw that radiation map before yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30462247 I tried some further searches: Google didn't crawl the subdomain /en/radiation-maps before 2022, nor did the see the string "saveecobot.com/en/radiation-maps" anywhere on the internet.

Their twitter account is 5 years old and has a screenshot showing they launched a radiation map 2020. https://twitter.com/SaveEcoBot/status/1339958096232329216/ph... So it didn't appear recently, maybe it was not popular enough to be indexed or linked to since launch (only 22 Twitter followers).

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by dottedmag »

perihelions wrote: post #5

- "Data from the automated radiation monitoring system of the exclusion zone, which is available online," Where is this official source?

https://dazv.gov.ua/en — UA state agency for management of the exclusion zone.

Their online map seems to be... offline: http://www.srp.ecocentre.kiev.ua/MEDO-PS/index.php?lang=UKR

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