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Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by austinjp »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #432
bb123 wrote: post #313

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I don’t think you understand how important the gas is in Europe in winter. People will quite literally freeze to death in their homes without it.

What a bullshit, at most it would be inconvenient and people have to spend a lot of money on electric radiators for a month or so.

A lot of people in Europe and the UK are already struggling to pay bills. It's been described as "eat or heat", since some can't afford to do both. Rising cost of living, reduced job security, and lower wages are all killing tens-of-thousands of people already.

https://www.endfuelpoverty.org.uk/about-fuel-poverty/

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by rvz »

jl6 wrote: post #419
neonsunset wrote: post #367

1: Small website with simple JS to ddos a list of russian gov and propaganda websites. Works anywhere where those are not blocked (e.g. Ukraine). Link - https://stop-russian-desinformation.near.page/ 2. Console tool for unplanned load testing Link - https://github.com/codesenberg/bombardier/releases/tag/v1.2.... Example usage - ./bombardier-linux-amd64 --duration=240h --connections=1000 --latencies https://lenta.ru U…

Really, how much defensive value does this have for Ukraine? DDOSing Russian news websites just allows them to cry victim - “look, they don’t want you to hear the truth!”. Disrupting the Russian internet in general also harms any anti-war protesters trying to organize.

> Really, how much defensive value does this have for Ukraine?

No defensive or tactical advantage whatsoever.

It just means that they have nothing to fight with. Internet field marshals that are doing last minute squeaking towards Russia. They are at best reactionary attacks which are predictable and easily mitigated against.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by jonathanstrange »

austinjp wrote: post #501
jonathanstrange wrote: post #432

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What a bullshit, at most it would be inconvenient and people have to spend a lot of money on electric radiators for a month or so.

A lot of people in Europe and the UK are already struggling to pay bills. It's been described as "eat or heat", since some can't afford to do both. Rising cost of living, reduced job security, and lower wages are all killing tens-of-thousands of people already. https://www.endfuelpoverty.org.uk/about-fuel-poverty/

You're treating an aggressive war in Europe like a minor calamity. It is an obvious responsibility of the state to help people pay for substitute heating and ease the negative impact of conflicts like that. In the worst case, even the military could step in. Helping citizens in times of conflict is one of the primary functions of governments and state institutions. It's much better to face these kind of negative consequences now than to embolden a dictator and later wonder why you sit in a bunker while Latvia or Poland is overrun. Just because this is not an armed conflict (yet) does not mean it should be treated lightly.

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Post by oneoff786 »

throwrqX wrote: post #356
MarcellusDrum wrote: post #249

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The phrase "the free world" rubs me the wrong way. I'm obviously against what Russia is doing, any sane man would be. But as a middle eastern, the US to us has been 10x worse than Russia: They killed a million Iraqis, they killed Syrian civilians by bombing hospitals and schools. They overthrew a functional government in Libya, and they supported Syrian/Iraqi separatists (Kurds). They forcefully tried to build a mili…

I suppose then if Nazi Germany just killed Jews and other undesirables in Germany and didn't try take over Europe then we should just stand back and do nothing because otherwise millions of Germans would also die? I wonder why people here seem to consider violent dictatorships and other such governments in equal standing with democracies.

There are plenty of countries with active genocidal events going on right now. Should we invade all of them?

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Post by [deleted] »

nautilius wrote: post #470
uR2oeE8lQ3Lb4uQ wrote: post #425

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Frankly, I think that's a much wiser approach than escalating the situation further with DDos attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolence

Escalating? You realize they just invaded a sovereign country?

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Post by throwrqX »

oneoff786 wrote: post #505
throwrqX wrote: post #356

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I suppose then if Nazi Germany just killed Jews and other undesirables in Germany and didn't try take over Europe then we should just stand back and do nothing because otherwise millions of Germans would also die? I wonder why people here seem to consider violent dictatorships and other such governments in equal standing with democracies.

There are plenty of countries with active genocidal events going on right now. Should we invade all of them?

Well in a perfect world yes we would. However the world is not perfect, and most "white" people so to speak care more about white people than some Muslims in the Middle East or some Africans in Africa, that's just the reality of the situation. Hence why they're more interested in what goes on in European countries than in other ones.

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Post by TrickardRixx »

ukrleut wrote: post #263
mapcars wrote: post #222

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>* It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days. Do you know the future for 100%? If not doesn't it worth a try?

It's the same "into Kyiv in two weeks" narrative for last 8 years.

Surely you agree that the situation today is quite different than it has been in the last 8 years?

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Post by eadmund »

majewsky wrote: post #324
reitanqild wrote: post #236

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> Reminder to people who didn't grow up in the US: Americans are by and large a bloodthirsty, vindictive lot I'd take away "by and large" here. Many of them are also exceedingly generous, open and friendly and cares deeply. This holds true for both sides of the political spectrum. They've also suffered a lot to end two world wars that they didn't start.

> They've also suffered a lot to end two world wars that they didn't start. This is even more true of the Russians, and as an outsider, I'm wondering how much of their politics is informed by those memories.

>> They've also suffered a lot to end two world wars that they didn't start.

> This is even more true of the Russians

No, it is not. The First World War was started because Russia backed up Serbia's refusal of Austria's ultimatum after a Serbian operation assassinated Austria's crown prince (and France & the UK backed up Russia, while Germany backed up Austria, and the whole powder keg blew up). The Second World War started because of the German invasion of Poland — and who else invaded Poland sixteen days later? The Soviet Union, which had signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with its supplementary German-Soviet Frontier Treaty. Moreover, modern-day Poland is really an amalgamation of western Poland and what used to be eastern Germany: the Soviet Union kept about one third of what had been Poland.

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