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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by zild3d »

ciphol wrote: post #291

A general comment on cyberwarfare. The Russian government/military is probably one of the most formidable cyberwarfare forces in the world (a quick googling lists US, UK, China, Russia, Israel as the top 5 cyberwarfare states, and I assume no non-state organization compares). One would expect them to have deployed their cyberwarfare "forces" against Ukraine. And yet the results were... pretty minimal? Internet traffi…

> And yet the results were... pretty minimal?

I wouldn't assume the "results" would be very visible or civilian facing. More along the lines of accessing military systems, intercepting communications, etc.

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Post by jonathanstrange »

bb123 wrote: post #313
jonathanstrange wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Europe would experience a temporary shortage and soaring prices but that's it. The alternative is to let dictator Putin go unpunished, which means he will in the future likely attack another country. There is no doubt about it. Without a strong deterrent and corresponding internal opposition, dictator Putin would seize the first opportunity as long as (in his mind) he'd be reasonably certain that other Eu…

I don’t think you understand how important the gas is in Europe in winter. People will quite literally freeze to death in their homes without it.

What a bullshit, at most it would be inconvenient and people have to spend a lot of money on electric radiators for a month or so.

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Post by Zenst »

bink wrote: post #254
harryvederci wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. Quote from the article: > "Ukrainian cybercommunity! It's time to get involved in the cyber defense of our country," the post read, asking hackers and cybersecurity experts to submit an application via Google docs, listing their specialties, such as malware development, and professional references. If you're not Ukrainian, I guess the request is n…

That's a very important clarification. Thank you.

You are though, allowed to offer educational training to Ukraine nationals.

Maybe there could be some formal initiative to clear out the grey/black area's so white hats can not fall upon their ethics.

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #159
simne wrote: post #25

I'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists. Unfortunately, we have not seen understanding with any government. Looks like, all people who got to government or state organizations, work on classical totalitarian scheme - "for friends all the best, for all others - severity of the law". Mean, system is so much disbalanced, that any government got totalitarian power and doe…

US folks: Call your congressional representatives and demand they back harsh sanctions against Russian oil/gas immediately. Perhaps even a full embargo until aggression is stopped. That is the _only_ leverage the US has against Russia, and as of yet the US has steadfastly refused to do anything that would interrupt the flow or price of oil to itself.

You know why this is not being done? If Russia and China stop buying oil using the U.S. Dollar guess who gets screwed? If you do not know that this is mostly what this conflict is about, well, hello.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/03/us-sanctions-may-see-russia-...

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Post by kurisufag »

rvz wrote: post #45
awb wrote: post #4

Anonymous is supposedly joining the cyber war: https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/1496954233492541444 https://twitter.com/YourAnonOne/status/1496965766435926039 They are claiming responsibility for taking down RT.com and some other Russian sites.

RT.com is still up and running. A DDoS attack is hardly a ‘complex’ attack against Russia and is easily mitigated against these days vs a malware wiper already spreading all over Ukraine. A DDoS is not even remotely considered a ‘hack’. Anonymous is not exactly sophisticated like the ‘Equation Group’ and these sort of DDoS + shodan.io lookups are what script-kiddie jokers do. They have nothing to fight with compared…

there are /some/ intricacies to DDoS, it's not all just "build a botnet and send packets". DNS amplification[1] is a good example of a non-straightforward augment, and there are all sorts of funny ideas people have that make it difficult to mitigate a dedicated attacker. the issue is that it's mostly (s)kids renting out botnets and spamming video game servers with layer3 packets.

[1] https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/ddos/dns-amplification-d...

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by saiya-jin »

bb123 wrote: post #313
jonathanstrange wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Europe would experience a temporary shortage and soaring prices but that's it. The alternative is to let dictator Putin go unpunished, which means he will in the future likely attack another country. There is no doubt about it. Without a strong deterrent and corresponding internal opposition, dictator Putin would seize the first opportunity as long as (in his mind) he'd be reasonably certain that other Eu…

I don’t think you understand how important the gas is in Europe in winter. People will quite literally freeze to death in their homes without it.

Electric heating, oil heating and so on. Not sure if the grid would cope with such a load, but there are always options.

Another option is just to give up with your kind of argument, and pay up Russia. That's looking increasingly like shooting our own foot in long term. The idea he will stop and be happy just with Ukraine is dangerously naive and ignore his own steps and statements.

If this won't be a wake up call in Europe then nothing will. Ramp up military budgets (I hate the idea, but that's how you deter bullies and we have one greedy fucker right now next door), and prepare infrastructure for withdrawal of anything russian. Long term that's good for Europe and world too.

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Post by simonh »

bink wrote: post #94

This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

I take it you hack into critical infrastructure systems legally, as part of security audits and such? After all if you were doing it illegally, and therefore are clearly fine doing illegal hacking, claiming that you won't risk hacking Russia because it might be illegal would seem like a weird defence to make.

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Post by culopatin »

baybal2 wrote: post #392
neonsunset wrote: post #367

1: Small website with simple JS to ddos a list of russian gov and propaganda websites. Works anywhere where those are not blocked (e.g. Ukraine). Link - https://stop-russian-desinformation.near.page/ 2. Console tool for unplanned load testing Link - https://github.com/codesenberg/bombardier/releases/tag/v1.2.... Example usage - ./bombardier-linux-amd64 --duration=240h --connections=1000 --latencies https://lenta.ru U…

Somebody just hacked a TV station in Vladivostok, and put a documentary about Putin's golden toilet on loop

Are there any links to a recording?

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Post by phantom_oracle »

It is disturbing how the moderators of HN are condoning the comments in this thread (the top comment by 'neonsunset' provides tools that enable DDoSing a foreign government website) that are encouraging cyber warfare against a nation-state that is considered an 'enemy' of their state (the USA).

Had a Russian/enemy state website had a similar thread that condoned cyber-attacks against the USA critical infrastructure, they would be flagged as terrorists and 'empire' publications like major US newspapers would be all over it as "war against the USA".

All this bluster from capitalists merely reflects hypocrisy.

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Post by thomaslangston »

idkwhoiam wrote: post #368
black_puppydog wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but what? * It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days. * Manipulative behaviour has been identified on twitter and Facebook almost every day for the last few years, and it hasn't really led to much anything. The Ukrainian government can't do anything about that, if the independent banana republics of FAANG don't decide to act, nothing is gonna change. * Likewise for patreon.…

> No NATO state will enter into this conflict, Putin has been pretty openly threatening with nuclear annihilation This basically means 2 things: 1. NATO is dead. 2. Putin is free to do whatever he wants wherever he chooses.

Neither of those points follow from the premise.

NATO's mission has always been mutual defense of members. Ukraine is not a member.

The threat of Russian nuclear weapons has been more poignant in the past than today. Neither of your conclusions was true before.

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