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Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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What strategic purpose would taking Chernobyl have other than maybe securing the site and preventing someone from blowing a hole in the sarcophagus?

Chernobyl has a nice road that happens to be the shortest road between Kyiv the Ukraine capital and Russia. It also still has several active reactors only 1 of them melted down so that gives some strategic merit byt the road is 99% of it.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#22

- "Data from the automated radiation monitoring system of the exclusion zone, which is available online," Where is this official source?

Other comments mention some sources, here are two more:

- EU-EC JRC - Radioactivity Environmental Monitoring - https://remap.jrc.ec.europa.eu/Advanced.aspx (not granular enough to detect anything)

- SafeCast - https://map.safecast.org/?y=51.361&x=30.123&z=11&l=0&m=0 (does detect high levels right now)

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the screenshots is https://www.saveecobot.com/en/radiation-maps#11/51.3463/30.1... (related discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30461521 )

This HN comment says archive.org never saw that radiation map before yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30462247 I tried some further searches: Google didn't crawl the subdomain /en/radiation-maps before 2022, nor did the see the string "saveecobot.com/en/radiation-maps" anywhere on the internet.

> That site is suspect. The "radiation map" page did not seem to exist before today: https://web.archive.org/web/20220224230609/https://www.savee...

Just because it wasn't in the Archive.org's archive doesn't mean it didn't exist. Many websites are not indexed until someone links to them (shocker), and since no one really cared too much about Chernobyl until yesterday/today, it's not that weird that they (Archive.org) didn't come across the website until today.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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post #19

What strategic purpose would taking Chernobyl have other than maybe securing the site and preventing someone from blowing a hole in the sarcophagus?

Building fear in the West.

That removes fear in the West in the context of battles raging around it. Russia has enormous nuclear capabilities, they don't need Chernobyl for anything other than to secure it from being used against them in some manner (whether stunt propaganda, or some kind of radiation threat). Chernobyl being secured by Russia relieves that risk for the West.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#26

What strategic purpose would taking Chernobyl have other than maybe securing the site and preventing someone from blowing a hole in the sarcophagus?

Take a look at the map. Chernobyl sits right on the border of Belarus, 130km to Kyiv on the western side of Dnieper river.

They didn't take Chernobyl to take the reactor, they took it because it is extremely strategic if the goal is to assault Kyiv.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#27
Tangentially, if you appreciate being able to read raw, unfiltered OSINT like OP (@OAlexanderDK) dug up, you'd be interested to know Twitter mistakenly suspended his account twice in the past three days [0] -- one among a large number of legitimate OSINT people covering Ukraine. The existence of this kind of HN thread is fragile.

You can also read Twitter Site Integrity's apology and response [1], or independent reporting about this [2].

[0] https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1496513006657839108

[1] https://twitter.com/yoyoel/status/1496544199478583297

[2] https://www.ft.com/content/5b23938b-49b8-426f-97af-640ba40c9... ("Twitter admits it mistakenly removed Ukraine open-source intelligence accounts")

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#28

What strategic purpose would taking Chernobyl have other than maybe securing the site and preventing someone from blowing a hole in the sarcophagus?

Chernobyl has a nice road that happens to be the shortest road between Kyiv the Ukraine capital and Russia. It also still has several active reactors only 1 of them melted down so that gives some strategic merit byt the road is 99% of it.

All reactors at Chernobyl have been shutdown since 2000. I have been amazed lately at how many people are unaware of this and think Chernobyl is still an operating nuclear power plant.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#29

What strategic purpose would taking Chernobyl have other than maybe securing the site and preventing someone from blowing a hole in the sarcophagus?

Chernobyl has a nice road that happens to be the shortest road between Kyiv the Ukraine capital and Russia. It also still has several active reactors only 1 of them melted down so that gives some strategic merit byt the road is 99% of it.

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Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

#30

Tangentially, if you appreciate being able to read raw, unfiltered OSINT like OP (@OAlexanderDK) dug up, you'd be interested to know Twitter mistakenly suspended his account twice in the past three days [0] -- one among a large number of legitimate OSINT people covering Ukraine. The existence of this kind of HN thread is fragile. You can also read Twitter Site Integrity's apology and response [1], or independent repo…

To add to the list of unfiltered OSINT straight from Ukraine/Russia, Telegram channels/groups are invaluable (but treat everything as unconfirmed rumors until confirmed elsewhere):

- https://t.me/uniannet

- https://t.me/ukrpravda_news

- https://t.me/istorijaoruzija

- https://t.me/dumskaya_net

- https://t.me/idelator

Beware, some of these are literally Russian propaganda, so again, don't take anything being said/shared as truth until verified elsewhere.

In case you need a translation service for the channels, I wrote a Telegram bot that translates anything you send to it/forward to it to English (via DeepL, so higher quality translations than Google Translate), accessible here:

- https://t.me/transtel_bot - Source: https://codeberg.org/CapableWeb/transtel

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