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Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by sethd »

yalogin wrote: post #187

I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. In that scenario how will a small assortment of weapons and software even help them? Do they even need weapons help? Also how can a charity buy that list and supply? Can an organization buy them, feels like that kind of a purchase should be restricted to countries only.

> Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge.

The Vietnamese successfully fought off multiple foreign invaders over past centuries against armies more powerful and advanced than theirs.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by yalogin »

app4soft wrote: post #270
yalogin wrote: post #187

I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. In that scenario how will a small assortment of weapons and software even help them? Do they even need weapons help? Also how can a charity buy that list and supply? Can an organization buy them, feels like that kind of a purchase should be restricted to countries only.

> I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. I hope You would learn something from today's message by Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine on situation where few Ukrainian kindergartens shelled by Russian rocket strikes : > Today’s Russian attacks on a kindergarten and an orphanage are war crimes and violations of the Rome Statute. Together with the General Prosecutor’s Office we…

Oh no! I am against any Russian aggression and the atrocities they are committing. This is terrible. Please understand that I am only trying to understand the approach that organization was taking with the charity, never questioning how evil Putin is or that he needs to be held accountable.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by nostrebored »

sethd wrote: post #301
yalogin wrote: post #187

I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. In that scenario how will a small assortment of weapons and software even help them? Do they even need weapons help? Also how can a charity buy that list and supply? Can an organization buy them, feels like that kind of a purchase should be restricted to countries only.

> Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. The Vietnamese successfully fought off multiple foreign invaders over past centuries against armies more powerful and advanced than theirs.

With the stipulation that there were some punches the USA wasn’t willing to throw. Russia has seen this and Russia has seen Aleppo.

Russia committing to this means that they are okay with doing what they need to for a decisive and quick victory.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by jacquesm »

brabel wrote: post #158
glogla wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you'd also tell someone being raped to not defend themselves so it's over faster? Jesus Christ, how do you people get so callous? What is wrong with you? who hurt you? What made you give up empathy and humanity? I'll never understand you people.

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> If the person being raped knows their attacker will kill them if they defend themselves, yes, they should stay quiet.

But nobody knows that ahead of time.

Your comment is absolutely revolting.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by gubikmic »

JohnGB wrote: post #103

Which is why I put through a request to have my Patreon account deleted today. Sorry to the channels that I supported, I'll try find a way to support you without using Patreon.

Here's how to delete your account: https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/204605915-Dele...

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by HideousKojima »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #252
yalogin wrote: post #187

I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. In that scenario how will a small assortment of weapons and software even help them? Do they even need weapons help? Also how can a charity buy that list and supply? Can an organization buy them, feels like that kind of a purchase should be restricted to countries only.

> Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. The US, the most well-funded army in the world for the past generation, hasn't won a war since the end of WW2. Army size and the like does not matter. The Ukranian forces can entrench themselves and maintain a guerilla war for a long time, as long as they have supplies. I strongly feel like wars are unwinnable. It either ends up in a stalemate and attrition - see th…

>The US, the most well-funded army in the world for the past generation, hasn't won a war since the end of WW2.

The First Gulf War was a pretty decisive victory. Also Grenada.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by fallingfrog »

This was the right move to make- it's hard to verify whether the money is going to, for example, neo-fascist paramilitary groups, which are rampant in western Ukraine at the moment. I personally think that donating to groups providing aid and medical care to civilians and refugees -the red cross and so forth- is a much more effective way to help actual suffering people.

Adding more weapons to an ongoing conflict is an extraordinarily difficult thing to do in a helpful way, even with the best of intentions, as the history of western intervention in foreign conflicts has vividly demonstrated. You think that the CIA can't seem to do it, despite decades of attempts and the best intelligence apparatus in the world- but you can? They gave guns to the Taliban, to Saddam Hussein, and on and on- how did that turn out? Do you really know who you're giving guns to? And after the conflict is over, the guns don't go away- they just change hands, and what will they be used for then? It's kind of dismaying to see how many people here have still not learned this lesson.

Patreon did the right thing. They are the adults in the room.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by sgjohnson »

b112 wrote: post #161
user-the-name wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Bitcoin is about freedom", you say as a response to Bitcoin being used to fund an invasion? How do you not see the absurdity of this claim?

You seem confused about freedom, and seem to think it means freedom to only do the things you want done. Freedom does not mean people, or countries, must do what one deems right or wrong. That is the reality of no restrictions on a thing. As an aside, maybe, fighting a physical invasion with harsh words, wagging fingers, and paper thin "we won't talk to you any more" restrictions isn't the answer? It's never worked b…

> Dictators and tyrants, sadly, will only stop when you use force.

This isn’t strictly true. Qadaffi warmed up to the west, and even stopped torturing people. And look at how he ended up.

Not only they rule with an iron fist, they can’t rule in any other way, because the very instant they’ll show any sign of weakness, it’s game over.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by jacquesm »

snth wrote: post #279
sofixa wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment was flagged, i vouched for it so i can downvote and rebuke. No. Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion ( like in so many other cases). People have to decide for themselves what they want, where their morals lie, and how they want to act on that. Message of support? Donation? Whatever. Ignoring the problem only helps the war criminals. Don't critique people for daring to speak and act agains…

> Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion No, no it isn't, in this or in other situations. More than two choices _usually_ exist. Statements like this present a false dichotomy in an attempt to coerce people to support a preferred position or interpretation.

And sometimes only one choice exists. This is such a time.
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