Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

On the removal of Come Back Alive

blog.patreon.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

261–270 of 428 posts

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

#261

Post by Cthulhu_ »

saiya-jin wrote: post #50
breakfastduck wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I wouldn't have stopped this myself, I think its perfectly reasonable for a crowdfunding website to not want to host campaigns used to purchase military grade weaponry.

Patreon hosts tons of youtube channels focused only on weapons including purely military ones, how to make guns more effective (aka better at killing), how to tweak ammo to be more destructive. That's one fucked up schizophrenic stance, especially from US company in this specific conflict. Does Trump have any influence there by any chance, given his recent statements?

> Patreon hosts tons of youtube channels focused only on weapons including purely military ones, how to make guns more effective (aka better at killing), how to tweak ammo to be more destructive.

This is a straw man argument unless you can produce some sources.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

#262

Post by [deleted] »

piokoch wrote: post #19

If anyone wants to support Ukraine defense directly, please use: https://ukraine.ua/news/support-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine/ or https://ukraine.ua/news/donate-to-the-nbu-fund/ this is a bit of a hassle, as UA government agencies can accept donations only through wire transfers, but that's just a few clicks in the banking app anyway.

[deleted]

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

#263

Post by sgjohnson »

keymone wrote: post #123

Quoted post unavailable.

> Fuck Patreon, fuck their employees for not blocking offices and protesting this decision, and especially fuck their CEO, please go bankrupt, shameful.

This was unnecessary. Remember, that they are a business and they have no obligation to care about what's happening in Ukraine, and they probably made a business decision on this. It's probably some Risk Management decision or something of the sort.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

#264

Post by nvahalik »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #252
yalogin wrote: post #187

I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. In that scenario how will a small assortment of weapons and software even help them? Do they even need weapons help? Also how can a charity buy that list and supply? Can an organization buy them, feels like that kind of a purchase should be restricted to countries only.

> Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. The US, the most well-funded army in the world for the past generation, hasn't won a war since the end of WW2. Army size and the like does not matter. The Ukranian forces can entrench themselves and maintain a guerilla war for a long time, as long as they have supplies. I strongly feel like wars are unwinnable. It either ends up in a stalemate and attrition - see th…

> I strongly feel like wars are unwinnable.

I think wars are winnable. It is technically possible for the US (or Russia, China) to annihilate their opponent.

The bigger question is: what follows?

Let's say that NATO got involved and retaliated. Somehow Putin gets handcuffed and sent to prison or otherwise is removed from office.

What then? A HUGE power vacuum in Russia that will be filled by... another ex-KGB officer? A Russian oligarch? A freely-elected politician?

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

#265

Post by Cthulhu_ »

unfocussed_mike wrote: post #132
saiya-jin wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patreon hosts tons of youtube channels focused only on weapons including purely military ones, how to make guns more effective (aka better at killing), how to tweak ammo to be more destructive. That's one fucked up schizophrenic stance, especially from US company in this specific conflict. Does Trump have any influence there by any chance, given his recent statements?

Trump campaigners and other alt-right types don't like Patreon due to prior disagreements; they literally founded an alternative platform with a parody name, to avoid it -- Hatreon.

And how well is that doing?

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

#266

Post by halfmatthalfcat »

keymone wrote: post #258
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glad we could have some sane discourse, thanks.

want some sanity back? quit supporting fascist regime. all employees are complicit if they continue working while knowing decisions of their leadership.

Me knowing good people at Patreon and vouching for them = supporting Putin and Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Wow, apparently I've been the bad guy the whole time.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

#267

Post by ssl232 »

keymone wrote: post #140
belter wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same Bitcoin will be used by Russia to avoid sanctions.

Let them. Bitcoin is about freedom.

It also, if you believe Saifedean Ammous, makes world wars impossibly unaffordable, once you achieve hyperbitcoinisation and it's no longer possible for governments to print money to fund conflict. It's probably one of the reasons why the world wars happened only after we started to move off the gold standard (definitely not the only one of course).

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

#268

Post by Cthulhu_ »

cdot2 wrote: post #5

So essentially the problem is they're sticking to their "violence is bad" policy when in this specific situation violence is maybe not bad.

Who would take up the role of morality police though?

I mean would you still support it if the Ukranian military capture a Russian soldier and torture them?

What if it's not the Ukranian military but IS? Or the US army, which is also guilty of war crimes [0]?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

#269

Post by sofixa »

rattlesnakedave wrote: post #255
sofixa wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment was flagged, i vouched for it so i can downvote and rebuke. No. Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion ( like in so many other cases). People have to decide for themselves what they want, where their morals lie, and how they want to act on that. Message of support? Donation? Whatever. Ignoring the problem only helps the war criminals. Don't critique people for daring to speak and act agains…

>Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion It certainly is not.

It is, because apathy is the only chance of the Russians getting away with it.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

#270

Post by app4soft »

yalogin wrote: post #187

I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. In that scenario how will a small assortment of weapons and software even help them? Do they even need weapons help? Also how can a charity buy that list and supply? Can an organization buy them, feels like that kind of a purchase should be restricted to countries only.

> I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself.

I hope You would learn something from today's message by Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine on situation where few Ukrainian kindergartens shelled by Russian rocket strikes:

> Today’s Russian attacks on a kindergarten and an orphanage are war crimes and violations of the Rome Statute. Together with the General Prosecutor’s Office we are collecting this and other facts, which we will immediately send to the Hague. Responsibility is inevitable.[0]

N.B. I'm Ukrainian living in Ukraine. Here is my statement for HN:[1]

[0] https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1497186665156255754

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30395897

Post reply on HN