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Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by Y-bar »

croes wrote: post #53
cdot2 wrote: post #5

So essentially the problem is they're sticking to their "violence is bad" policy when in this specific situation violence is maybe not bad.

The problem is there will be situations where it is less clear if it's bad or not. Next step would be all kind of groups trying to get military funding.

Why not cross that bridge when those less clear situations happen rather than throwing about the false neutrality principle[1] as a defense now?

[1] Thinking about this https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/99574-we-must-take-sides-ne...

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by nuccy »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #12
tgv wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's self-defense. Or is that bad too?

We all know the final outcome of this. In the face of the overwhelming force Ukraine faces it seems to me any help we provide is just going to prolong the agony.

No, because Russian soldiers get demoralised the longer they stay or fight: noone waits them in Ukraine with hugs, its not their land. Not just Ukrainian soldiers fight with them, but also civilian people resist, especially those who sign for local (in-city, in-town, in-village) defence groups.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by unfocussed_mike »

koonsolo wrote: post #100
bpolovko wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, yeah! They definitely use that money only to pay for internet bills

Patreon money goes into their left pocket. When they buy guns, they pay with their right pocket. Internet bills are indeed paid with their left pocket ;).

Pocket to pocket gas fees are getting totally out of hand.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by emptysongglass »

jacquesm wrote: post #74
Uehreka wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I see this kind of sentiment everywhere these days. Just because people disagree about things doesn’t mean it’s a subjective issue you can just wash your hands of. Sometimes you just have to dive in, figure out who’s right (or less wrong) and hope your assessment is correct. It sucks if you’re the kind of person who wants to never be wrong, but the adult world is messy, we often can’t afford that luxury.

There is this thing called 'False Balance' of which this is a specific example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_balance

Thank you. I was wondering if there was a term for this. It is, in my opinion, the most caustic force across public places of discourse today. Humans seem to have an overriding need to "balance the books", perhaps to avoid conflict with their peers or presume logical conclusion must hold two sides in equal reverence. There is nothing fair about this rape of a country, no feebly concocted realpolitik to soberly justify the murder of hundreds and soon thousands of people who want to live free of an abusive parent.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by ejb999 »

cloverich wrote: post #82

Does Patreon have ties to Russia that are relevant here, or is this purely a principled move based on their terms?

principled move?

Which principles were they following? the principles that made it OK for 8 years, or the principles were they decided to side with Russia's agressions once the real invasion started.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by unfocussed_mike »

capableweb wrote: post #118
orbital-decay wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This method is super inaccurate, since visitors from many countries (including Ukraine) could use Russian as their preferred language. You might probably want to use IP geolocation instead.

No method is perfect, obviously. But in this case you probably want to use a bunch of heuristics, placing them in a OR statement would probably get you as close as possible. - Check preferred language (won't work for Russians who prefer English, and will show for non-Russians who prefer Russians) - Check where IP is coming from (won't work for Russians on the border if public node is on other side of bordering-countr…

Side note: Russian is Zelenskyy's first language.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by mtmail »

sebow wrote: post #95

Not surprising.Most of the westerners in the corporate world(especially on the far left end of the spectrum) and people near that sphere of influence are fetishists of either the russian regime or the russian way of doing business.They talk about 'dangerous' people as being pro-russian because it's easier to de-legitimize people this way: the "russian bad" rhetoric is long-known since the atomic period of propaganda.…

I fail to see the connection to the Patreon situation in the reply. You're saying western leftist corporations are fetishists of the Russian regime? The reply ends with Trump/Biden/Clinton, then make a turn to mention Canada.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by playeren »

mickael-kerjean wrote: post #27

Russian visitors of my foss project ( https://www.filestash.app/ ) now see the message of peace address to them by president Zelenskyy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwzb_JX7u04

I'm in Denmark, with ENG (US) as language, and I'm getting the speech.

I like the speech, but I would also like to see your software.

* edit: Seems fixed for me now. Filestash looks pretty useful btw!

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by mrtksn »

jensgk wrote: post #68

"We don’t allow Patreon to be used for funding weapons or military activity." What is this then? https://www.patreon.com/search?q=guns

I don't see how these are comparable.

If the Iraq war had happened today, would you be able to use the same arguments for patreons who collect money against the British and US invaders who used imaginary WMD[0] as pretext?

I believe it is very clear that it is impossible for legally operating institutions to collect funds for wars without direct governmental involvement or blessing as these are complex matters that you don't want to end up on the wrong side when things settle. The Iraqi WMD were found to be imaginary much later, not at the time of operations and in this alternative timeline, Patreon could have ended as the company that facilitated the collection of funds for WMD operators.

It's very different from facilitating the collection of funds for creation of weapon related media. No person in right mind would want to be involved in collecting funds for armed conflicts unless actively takes sides.

Even humanitarian aid is risky as it is often used as a cover for military operations, so you will need solid guarantees - preferably from the state actors that you are abiding with.

[0] https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7634313

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