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Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by chrisweekly »

thelittleone wrote: post #55
simne wrote: post #25

I'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists. Unfortunately, we have not seen understanding with any government. Looks like, all people who got to government or state organizations, work on classical totalitarian scheme - "for friends all the best, for all others - severity of the law". Mean, system is so much disbalanced, that any government got totalitarian power and doe…

Some of the best developers I've worked with are Ukrainians. I've been hiring there for over 10 years with great results.

Same. It's not remotely scientific, but 3/3 are devs I'd gladly work with again. Given the tiny sample size, it's a pretty strong indicator.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by HWR_14 »

bink wrote: post #94

This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

I mean, it's probably legal for you to fill out the application as a US citizen, as the Ukrainians are also asking for defensive help. If you have or want a US security clearance there may be issues in helping a foreign power, but absent that you can probably stay on the right side of the line.

Obviously, you'd want a real legal opinion.

I do wonder at what point the US just declares Russian computer systems beyond the protection of US law. At some point, that happens, right?

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by mvkel »

mahkeiro wrote: post #119
bink wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a huge gamble most people aren't willing to accept.

Bur remember that by treaty US and UK (and Russia of course) promised to defend Ukraine in exchange of their nukes. At least if they try to go after you, you can still argue that you were trying to comply to a treaty that both countries have decided to ignore.

Upon orders from the government, sure. Taking the law into your own hands based on vague interpretation is different.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by GavinMcG »

wolverine876 wrote: post #83
GavinMcG wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Great" as in "insightful" as a definition of conservatism, rather than as an endorsement of the philosophy (one hopes).

How is that conservative, beyond dovetailing with what many on the US 'right' currently claim?

Conservatives tend to emphasize loyalty, authority, and purity as fundamental values, over and above the more widely-shared values of care, fairness, and liberty.[0] These "binding" values are a foundation for in-group vs. out-group thinking. And because loyalty and authority compete with fairness (and win out over it) there is less of a priority on the law as treating everyone equally.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_foundations_theory#Polit...

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

HWR_14 wrote: post #122
bink wrote: post #94

This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

I mean, it's probably legal for you to fill out the application as a US citizen, as the Ukrainians are also asking for defensive help. If you have or want a US security clearance there may be issues in helping a foreign power, but absent that you can probably stay on the right side of the line. Obviously, you'd want a real legal opinion. I do wonder at what point the US just declares Russian computer systems beyond t…

Aren't Russian computer systems already beyond the protection of US law?

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by jazzyjackson »

TheFreim wrote: post #118
jazzyjackson wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're pretty interesting because they have an incentive to be reliable in order for people to trust them. They are also generous with appearance fees so they gets lots of famous Americans on the screen Larry King, Glenn Beck and Ron Paul come to mind. Funny, when googling for examples of Americans appearing on RT a couple of Quora posts came up that may illustrate RT's angle: > Why does RT (Russia Today) claim that…

> they have an incentive to be reliable in order for people to trust them Classic social engineering trick, gain trust and "cash out" later.

certainly !

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by jtsuken »

bink wrote: post #94

This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

If you don't want to engage on the offensive side, there is plenty of work on the defensive side of things.

* Detect and notify the Ukrainian government about threats or upcoming attacks.

* Identify coordinated manipulative behaviour on social media.

* Last but not least contact Patreon's management to release the funds that have been donated to Ukrainian veterans (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30461038)

Feel free to add to the list, as there is going to be a lot of work in the upcoming days.

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