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Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by ushakov »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #79
tailspin2019 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to detract from the importance of their statement today, but I’ve always thought that they were really a “Czech company” on paper only. Take a look at their supposed Czech HQ office: https://www.jetbrains.com/company/contacts/prague/ And then compare to their St Petersburg, Russia office: https://www.jetbrains.com/company/contacts/st-petersburg/ Which one looks more like a HQ? The latter office is their largest […

Yes, they're mostly Russian. But legal status matters in that Russia can't shut them down...

them being a foreign company actually puts them at more risk, because they can legally be declared a foreign agent

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by dsr_ »

acheron wrote: post #72
dsr_ wrote: post #11

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Almost everything interesting involving multiple humans can be described as politics.

In which case the word doesn’t mean anything. Regardless of whether you agree, you know what the OP meant, because “politics” has a meaning, and it’s not “everything”.

Sure. But companies are inherently political. They survive because of guarantees from the political system in which they live, and different political systems produce different kinds of businesses.

I don't say that the OP produced an unmeaningful sentence. I say OP is incorrect.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by hollandia »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #76
Mikeb85 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their head office is in Prague, Czech Republic and they're technically a Czech company... But point still stands, they're Russian and speaking against the war.

Not to detract from the importance of their statement today, but I’ve always thought that they were really a “Czech company” on paper only. Take a look at their supposed Czech HQ office: https://www.jetbrains.com/company/contacts/prague/ And then compare to their St Petersburg, Russia office: https://www.jetbrains.com/company/contacts/st-petersburg/ Which one looks more like a HQ? The latter office is their largest […

They are Czech company only on paper (probably for better access to western markets). They don't have any sort of real presence in Czech Republic, just offices for their global teams. Their products don't have Czech versions. Not even their website is available in Czech language. Highly unusual for a technical company. Even big global companies offer at least something in our local language.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by hollandia »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #79
tailspin2019 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to detract from the importance of their statement today, but I’ve always thought that they were really a “Czech company” on paper only. Take a look at their supposed Czech HQ office: https://www.jetbrains.com/company/contacts/prague/ And then compare to their St Petersburg, Russia office: https://www.jetbrains.com/company/contacts/st-petersburg/ Which one looks more like a HQ? The latter office is their largest […

Yes, they're mostly Russian. But legal status matters in that Russia can't shut them down...

Maybe not Russia, but sanctions can hit them pretty hard. They might not be able to transfer money to Russian and western companies might not be comfortable using what is basically just Russian software with "Czech" sticker on it.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by ttyprintk »

caeril wrote: post #74
sofixa wrote: post #23

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They have bombarded civilian targets - there are multiple pictures and videos of civilian buildings and infrastructure such as roads being bombed, with civilians dying. That's very war crimey. Furthermore, crimes against peace are a type of war crime.

Well I guess we need to send every US President since Eisenhower to the Hague in chains, then. Don't act like Russia is some sort of unique evil, here. The gallons of blood spilled in collateral damage to innocent civilians by US, US-led, or US-financed operations in countries we have absolutely no business being in can fill swimming pools. Literally anybody writing, posting, tweeting, or writing column-inches about…

Parent may not be a US citizen, and might bravely be saying their opinion within reach of Russia. No context of USA is necessary.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by hollandia »

mrkwse wrote: post #34
w_t_payne wrote: post #13

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It's going to be increasingly difficult to do business there over the coming few years. I can't see this situation becoming easier any time soon. What steps can founders in Russia seek to reduce the risks that they're facing?

In terms of business risks, I believe Jetbrains are based in Czechia, so while there is risk for their founders, I'm not sure there's any business risk (whether Russian retribution or international sanctions) for JetBrains itself.

Their presence in Czechia is really small, it's not a Czech company in normal sense. My guess it's just a way how to get better access to western markets.

The business risk is that they might not be able to transfer money to Russia (where they probably have most employees) and western companies might not be comfortable using what is basically just Russian software with "Czech" sticker on it.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #79
tailspin2019 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to detract from the importance of their statement today, but I’ve always thought that they were really a “Czech company” on paper only. Take a look at their supposed Czech HQ office: https://www.jetbrains.com/company/contacts/prague/ And then compare to their St Petersburg, Russia office: https://www.jetbrains.com/company/contacts/st-petersburg/ Which one looks more like a HQ? The latter office is their largest […

Yes, they're mostly Russian. But legal status matters in that Russia can't shut them down...

Russia can shut down its operations in St Petersbourg.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by zihotki »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #45
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #5

Will they leave Russia too like Telegram?

Their head office has always been in the Czech Republic...

That's probably due to the fact that it's easier to do accounting when working with other countries. Majority of developers are in Russia though, source - https://www.linkedin.com/company/jetbrains/people/

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by jonsbu »

labrador wrote: post #2

Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie

Speech is cheap. In the end it is just a PR. I doubt they'll have any serious repercussions because the message is vague on purpose. But everybody in the comments already give them credit for it. Actions/money are all that matter.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by 22c »

ushakov wrote: post #39
labrador wrote: post #2

Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie

yes, people of HN need to realize what it takes for a Russian company to voice narratives not in line with the government (in this case supporting their war enemy) for JetBrains this could mean losing contracts with other (pro-government) Russian companies, house searches for their own employees and executives and targeted “investigation” campaigns they could be declared a “foreign agent” or “undesirable organization…

> supporting their war enemy

Condemning the attacks is not the same as supporting their governments war enemy.

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