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Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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daed wrote: post #317
frankus wrote: post #248

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There are some interesting coincidences that make me think that the torpor hypothesis might be worth exploring: - Basal metabolic rates in present-day Americans are substantially lower than they were in the past ( http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nqBxKGn... -- Yes, the link is from the aforementioned blog, but you can check the citations). - Mean body temperatures today are lower than in the past…

Can’t all these things also be explained by our increasingly sedentary lifestyle?

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Post by frankfrankfrank »

errantmind wrote: post #311

Eventually people will realize that the vast majority of the foods they buy at the store are: * Undernourishing: lacking historical nutritional value * Lopsided / Disproportionate: ingredients are wildly over/ under represented wrt 'nature', like extreme levels of PUFAs in products due to added seed oils * Addictive Filler: Added suger or other added sweeteners, added corn derivatives, etc The only way to really avoi…

What astonished me is that it has been shown that the vegetables and fruits of today, at least the commercially available ones, are substantially less nutritious than what was available in the past.

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Post by pacomerh »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #133

I used to eat sardines every day trying to get the health benefits of fatty fish. They were packed in soybean oil. I drank the oil too. With time I began to have bizarre mental issues that I finally tracked down to the sardines. Sardines packed in olive oil don’t cause this issue. That’s my anecdata to share.

I think the problem starts with eating canned food here.

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Post by istorical »

nebula8804 wrote: post #298
voldacar wrote: post #273

It's nice to see the anti seed oil discourse ramping up lately, but I'm sort of pessimistic about this. Like what is the endgame, exactly? Seed oils are in basically everything. Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. It's sort of an absurd thing to even attempt, it would drive you insane.

>Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. Is there any evidence that something transfers to you if you do touch it? This is the first I am hearing about something like this. I thought plastic was essentially a solid. I have been interested in converting much of my daily interaction of plastic to other materials. Things like…

Transfers to you? There are microparticles of plastic in every liquid you drink, floating in the air, in the digestive systems of practically every animal in the food chain.

When you wash a piece of polyester or microfiber in a washing machine you are sending millions of little microscopic pieces of plastic into the water supply.

Ever drink from a plastic water bottle that sat in a hot car and it tastes really funny? Enjoy your plastic.

If you google "plastic in the air", "plastic in food", "plastic in animals", "plastic in water", it's pretty much impossible to not find evidence. It's incredibly depressing. It's in the Mariana trench and on Everest.

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Post by Sharlin »

rsync wrote: post #326
daed wrote: post #317

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Can’t all these things also be explained by our increasingly sedentary lifestyle?

Almost certainly. Modern “western” people spend a tremendous amount of time sitting - either in an office or a car - and are almost totally sedentary. In fact, so sedentary that the mere act of walking is considered “exercise”. Frankly, I’m surprised the mental and physical outcomes aren’t even worse .

They will be in the coming decades as the population ages. The direct and indirect effects of sitting all day long are going to be incredibly costly to the society, and the only reasonable policy would be to combat our car addiction by any means necessary – and this is even distegarding all the other disastrous externalities of widespread personal car use!

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Post by rednerrus »

frankus wrote: post #248
crowbahr wrote: post #69

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From the study: > One additional note on this study — the research team has not yet isolated which chemicals in the oil are responsible for the changes they found in the hypothalamus. But they have ruled out two candidates. It is not linoleic acid, since the modified oil also produced genetic disruptions; nor is it stigmasterol, a cholesterol-like chemical found naturally in soybean oil. 1. We're not mammals that exp…

There are some interesting coincidences that make me think that the torpor hypothesis might be worth exploring: - Basal metabolic rates in present-day Americans are substantially lower than they were in the past ( http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nqBxKGn... -- Yes, the link is from the aforementioned blog, but you can check the citations). - Mean body temperatures today are lower than in the past…

The amount of SAD probably would be worth exploring was well. That's some hibernation mimicking behavior.

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bduerst wrote: post #252
cheald wrote: post #165

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Avocado oil is fantastic for high-temperature cooking (smoke point ~500F). "Pure" or "refined" olive oil has a smoke point of around 410F; it's EVOO that has the lower smoke point. Deep frying happens at ~375F. Coconut and MCT oils are great for baking, but they do have lower smoke points (320-350F) so they're inappropriate for frying. I generally prefer cooking, frying, and baking with avocado oil, both because of i…

Just be careful when you buy Avocado oil, a recent study showed that 82% of the Avocado oil on shelves is either mixed or rancid: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095671352... Chosen Foods and Marianne’s Avocado Oil are the only two that are 100% pure refined avocado oil.

Chosen Foods is indeed my brand of choice.

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Post by carom »

cgriswald wrote: post #329
kayoone wrote: post #323

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The thing with food science is that not every human is the same and people react differently to different things. Some people may thrive on a high fat diet, other might tolerate or even need more carbs, it really depends and isn't black and white. Thats why it's important to look at the sample size of studies among other factors.

Is there some evidence that humans really react that differently all else being equal? Literally anything that can affect our bodies might be a confounding factor: sleep; water intake; type, frequency, duration, and difficulty of exercise; sunlight exposure; climate (average temperature, humidity, temperature swings, atmospheric salinity); elevation; latitude, etc ...

Celiac, lactose intolerance, fructose malabsorption, migraines... there are plenty of variations that cause people to handle foods differently.

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Post by chihuahua »

klyrs wrote: post #164
danlugo92 wrote: post #100

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Go try and eat only coconut oil for say, 2 weeks, you'll feel the difference.

https://www.news-medical.net/health/Oils-Rich-in-Linoleic-Ac... Look, if we're going to make major life changes on the basis of this one study, you've missed the opportunity for an all-chocolate diet.

When you've tried the all-meat diet and didn't like it, the all-chocolate diet seems like the logical next step.

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istorical wrote: post #334
nebula8804 wrote: post #298

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>Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. Is there any evidence that something transfers to you if you do touch it? This is the first I am hearing about something like this. I thought plastic was essentially a solid. I have been interested in converting much of my daily interaction of plastic to other materials. Things like…

Transfers to you? There are microparticles of plastic in every liquid you drink, floating in the air, in the digestive systems of practically every animal in the food chain. When you wash a piece of polyester or microfiber in a washing machine you are sending millions of little microscopic pieces of plastic into the water supply. Ever drink from a plastic water bottle that sat in a hot car and it tastes really funny?…

It seems like there are varying definitions of microparticles. Are you referring to stuff that is still slightly visible to the naked eye (if you squint), something the requires a regular microscope or something that needs an electron microscope. I'd like to think that my zerowater filter which filters out enough such that a TDS meter reads 0 would filter out microplastics but who really knows. I don't inspect every cup of water I drink with a microscope.

I always wondered why there hasn't been more of a push to explore plastic pyrolysis technologies to help remove these plastics from circulations. I see countless pictures of discarded clothing, and other plastic based waste and I'm thinking that there is some potential solution: break it down back into its original oil based input.

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