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Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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Post by errantmind »

Eventually people will realize that the vast majority of the foods they buy at the store are:

* Undernourishing: lacking historical nutritional value

* Lopsided / Disproportionate: ingredients are wildly over/ under represented wrt 'nature', like extreme levels of PUFAs in products due to added seed oils

* Addictive Filler: Added suger or other added sweeteners, added corn derivatives, etc

The only way to really avoid this is to go to extremes. For me that means cooking all my own food and tracing as many of my ingredients back to their sources and vetting them. Just buying 'USDA Organic' isn't enough these days, I need to ensure the various farms are not contaminating their soil with pesticides / fertilizers, among other factors.

What I'd really like to see, and this is a bit out there for HN, is a US certification for farmers practicing both USDA Organic and Korean Natural Farming (a somewhat radical organic approach to farming). I trust KNF with my health.

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Post by johnnyApplePRNG »

I listened to a great CBC-produced story on all of the "propaganda" surrounding soybeans back in the 90s... there were stories floating around that it raised estrogen levels in men and made you grow man-boobs basically if you ate it. I remember my friends joking about it at the time.

CBC wrote it off as completely without basis, said the chinese had been subsisting off of them for thousands of years, if they are fine eating it so should we be etc...

It was a convincing argument... but then again Canada grows a huge amount of soybeans and CBC is always pro-government so what to believe?

Perhaps there was some truth to the rumour?

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Post by ghostly_s »

telchior wrote: post #109
ghostly_s wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peanut oil is most often recommended for Asian cuisine.

I currently use peanut oil, but it's still 30% PUFA. Presumably if PUFAs are bad (again, unproven!) then there would be something better.

Why are you presuming PUFAs are bad? This study doesn't seem to make such a suggestion.

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Post by michaelcampbell »

rileyphone wrote: post #297
ska wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US produces about 1/3 of worldwide soy, I think production is only second to corn. So if nothing else, it's available.

IIRC soybeans help add nitrogen back to the soil and are highly subsidized.

According to https://www.ilsoyadvisor.com/on-farm/ilsoyadvisor/nitrogen-s..., they "fix" nitrogen so require less than other crops, but it's still a net negative.

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Post by stuckinhell »

johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #312

I listened to a great CBC-produced story on all of the "propaganda" surrounding soybeans back in the 90s... there were stories floating around that it raised estrogen levels in men and made you grow man-boobs basically if you ate it. I remember my friends joking about it at the time. CBC wrote it off as completely without basis, said the chinese had been subsisting off of them for thousands of years, if they are fine…

Probably, I know I distrust most of the food "science".

When I stuck to "food" pyramid, I was the most unhealthy, overweight, and unhappy I've ever been. When I basically switched to high fat, high protein, and lowish carbs,I got healthier and more importantly my hormone profile went back to normal and I wasn't depressed anymore.

It's astounding what lies the government pushes around food, and how damaging it can be to your life!

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Post by buckthundaz »

voldacar wrote: post #273

It's nice to see the anti seed oil discourse ramping up lately, but I'm sort of pessimistic about this. Like what is the endgame, exactly? Seed oils are in basically everything. Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. It's sort of an absurd thing to even attempt, it would drive you insane.

If you cook your own food, it is easy to avoid. Simply don't buy them. Use tallow, ghee, butter, coconut oilt.

Note that this simple method of making what you eat will mitigate exposure to endocrine disrupting plastics too.

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Post by daed »

frankus wrote: post #248
crowbahr wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the study: > One additional note on this study — the research team has not yet isolated which chemicals in the oil are responsible for the changes they found in the hypothalamus. But they have ruled out two candidates. It is not linoleic acid, since the modified oil also produced genetic disruptions; nor is it stigmasterol, a cholesterol-like chemical found naturally in soybean oil. 1. We're not mammals that exp…

There are some interesting coincidences that make me think that the torpor hypothesis might be worth exploring: - Basal metabolic rates in present-day Americans are substantially lower than they were in the past ( http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nqBxKGn... -- Yes, the link is from the aforementioned blog, but you can check the citations). - Mean body temperatures today are lower than in the past…

Can’t all these things also be explained by our increasingly sedentary lifestyle?

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Post by ska »

KerryJones wrote: post #287
jacobmischka wrote: post #8

What is soybean oil traditionally called in the US? I've never actually seen "soybean oil" myself (though it surely exists). Is this the same as "vegetable oil"?

Vegetable Oil (as mentioned in another comment) is largely soybean oil

This is pretty regional. In US I think you are (mostly?) right.

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Post by dfxm12 »

johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #312

I listened to a great CBC-produced story on all of the "propaganda" surrounding soybeans back in the 90s... there were stories floating around that it raised estrogen levels in men and made you grow man-boobs basically if you ate it. I remember my friends joking about it at the time. CBC wrote it off as completely without basis, said the chinese had been subsisting off of them for thousands of years, if they are fine…

If you think something about those reports was fishy, you can go and look up how long the Chinese had been subsisting off of them and if they've had any problems. Any possible CBC bias would have zero effect on that.

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Post by pempem »

klyrs wrote: post #164
danlugo92 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go try and eat only coconut oil for say, 2 weeks, you'll feel the difference.

https://www.news-medical.net/health/Oils-Rich-in-Linoleic-Ac... Look, if we're going to make major life changes on the basis of this one study, you've missed the opportunity for an all-chocolate diet.

^ best post of the thread!
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