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Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by newuser94303 »

hwers wrote: post #21

I can't really tell what's going on here. Is the EU and America supposed to be helping out but it's all promises without real counter attacks? Is this just the calm before the storm as russia places their troops in the right spots while everyone looks on? Anyone who's smarter than me who could enlighten me?

The whole thing is very puzzling. Russia will take Ukraine but Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe. There is no way that Russia can conquer all of Europe. The West will not attack because Russia has nukes. The sanctions will eventually wear Russia down. What is the end game? Is he that confident that the West will just forgive and forget?

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by oezi »

avazhi wrote: post #125
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ukraine is not a member of NATO, so options are somewhat limited Ukraine not being in NATO means we aren’t obligated to intervene. We regularly intervene in various things without a treaty requiring it.

America will do nothing except 'strongly condemn' what's happening, just like the rest of the world. The simple fact is that there is no real upside to risking actual war with Russia - that the Russians will dominate the Ukraine while walking away with a bloody nose (in the form of minor troop losses of its own) is a foregone conclusion. Without more, that's a localised conflict that Russia rather hilariously can try…

The question obviously is if Ukraine compares to Hitler taking Austria or part of Czechoslovakia and condemnation is just appeasement until an assault on the next country...

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by odiroot »

bayesian_horse wrote: post #210
charliea0 wrote: post #119

The Russian forces seem to be trying to encircle or assault Kyiv. I think they've taken the nuclear plant because it is a defensible point along their shortest line of advance. They wouldn't want to move past it without controlling the site.

I think they seized it because they need the general area to move their troops. In that case they can't tolerate Ukrainian troops there, but somebody has to be in control and responsible for this site to ensure, among other things, no terrorists make off with radioactive material. I'm totally condemning the Russian actions, but in this particular case they may be acting somewhat responsibly. Unlike with the bombing o…

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Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by TameAntelope »

sonicggg wrote: post #190
TameAntelope wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine isn't part of NATO, I think it's a big reason why troop deployment hasn't happened.

Not the reason though. Kosovo was not a part of NATO either. It's just that Russia is not Serbia.

Vietnam wasn't part of NATO either, I guess if we're just pointing things out.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by simonklitj »

mrtranscendence wrote: post #141
newaccount2021 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU is incapable and the US doesn't have near enough assets nearby in any case, Putin would likely respond with a nuke (he already basically hinted this), this is an endgame for everyone, Ukraine, Russia, Putin...there will be no de-escalation or peace process. Putin already said Ukraine "does not need to exist"...either the Ukrainians can fight him off or not. Probably not. Sanctions won't matter. Scolding Putin at t…

Putin responding with a nuke would be suicide. Maybe literal suicide. He's surely not that stupid?

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Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by smsm42 »

charliea0 wrote: post #119

The Russian forces seem to be trying to encircle or assault Kyiv. I think they've taken the nuclear plant because it is a defensible point along their shortest line of advance. They wouldn't want to move past it without controlling the site.

Also because it's very dangerous to attack a place where there's a lot of radioactive waste being stored. And if things go really bad, you can always pull off a "insane Ukrainians just shelled the power plant and broke nuclear containment" - if Russians can't have Kiev, nobody will have it.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by gumby »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #137
jaywalk wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There should always be plenty of doubt in your mind if you're saying that the US will use nukes in any situation short of someone else using them first.

The US is the only country that used nukes.

The UK is the only other nuclear power to have detonated nukes on the territory of another country.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by aszen »

rmk wrote: post #195
_puk wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scary thing is if NATO decide to get involved, and it turns into war between NATO and Russia, then the security of the Baltic States plummets. Currently, as NATO members, they are not likely to be attacked, but if NATO declares war then that deterrent is gone. Hopefully not a likely scenario, but who knows.. There's been a lot of tension lately, especially with the likes of Belarus bussing migrants across the bor…

NATO is a defensive alliance, so there has to be a provocation for them to act.

Not necessarily see their previous involvement in conflicts. What kind of defence was nato doing in Afghanistan

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by nickpp »

lijogdfljk wrote: post #185
nickpp wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? He never said that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAOSTiumsg How can you ask for source but then confidently claim otherwise. Ugh. edit : https://old.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/t0di4z/t... is a crappy Reddit link, but also goes on to include the nuclear mention as well. How can you view this as anything but a nuclear warning?

Watch those again. He never pronounced the word nuclear. It was just a (more or less empty) threat in the poker game he is playing to keep cowardly politicians from helping an independent nation being invaded.

Looks like it worked. I wonder what else are people willing to give up at the mere hint of a nuclear threat: their houses? Their freedom? Their friends? Their spouses? Their children?

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by jjtheblunt »

outside1234 wrote: post #75

Hey, good news people, Switzerland is going to remain neutral and keep taking Russian money. And Germany doesn't want to stop Swift because they need sweet sweet natural gas from Russia

is there a citation for what you wrote?

I thought I read the exact opposite of both your sentences some hours ago. perhaps things changed again?

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