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Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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I can't really tell what's going on here. Is the EU and America supposed to be helping out but it's all promises without real counter attacks? Is this just the calm before the storm as russia places their troops in the right spots while everyone looks on? Anyone who's smarter than me who could enlighten me?

What do you want them to do exactly, send nukes?

There are plenty of sanctions the US and EU can impose on Russian oil and gas, but they aren't doing it.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#132
post #70

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Ukraine is not a member of NATO, so options are somewhat limited. Russia intends to use Chernobyl as a deterrent to NATO, according to the report (how, I do not know). It is also not straightforward to put a NATO ally right on Russia's vulnerable flank (it's endless plains and flat ground from Ukraine to Moscow, which has always been a source of strategic vulnerability for Moscow), so admitting Ukraine to NATO was ne…

It is also not straightforward to put a NATO ally right on Russia's vulnerable flank In taking Ukraine, Putin just put Nato on Russia’s border.

Yes, I think this will galvanize fence-sitters into accelerating the process of joining NATO, which is counterproductive for Russia.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#133
post #21

I can't really tell what's going on here. Is the EU and America supposed to be helping out but it's all promises without real counter attacks? Is this just the calm before the storm as russia places their troops in the right spots while everyone looks on? Anyone who's smarter than me who could enlighten me?

Putin warned the West that he wouldn't hesitate to conduct a nuclear strike if they try to meddle.

Source? He never said that.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#134
post #85

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I really doubt that NATO would be willing to enforce this no-fly zone in a non-NATO nation, that would mean being willing to shoot down Russian military aircraft, which would surely escalate the war.

Neither Iraq (1991+) nor Bosnia and Herzegovina (1993+) were NATO members, and it served its purpose there. And hence declaring it before Russia invaded. Which forces Russia to choose to shoot down NATO aircraft, or operate outside those zones.

When Iraq invaded Kuwait, we were willing to fight (and eventually did fight) a war with Iraq.

NATO is not prepared or willing to start a war with Russia.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#135
post #70

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Ukraine is not a member of NATO, so options are somewhat limited. Russia intends to use Chernobyl as a deterrent to NATO, according to the report (how, I do not know). It is also not straightforward to put a NATO ally right on Russia's vulnerable flank (it's endless plains and flat ground from Ukraine to Moscow, which has always been a source of strategic vulnerability for Moscow), so admitting Ukraine to NATO was ne…

> Ukraine is not a member of NATO, so options are somewhat limited Ukraine not being in NATO means we aren’t obligated to intervene. We regularly intervene in various things without a treaty requiring it.

Exactly Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#136
post #85

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I really doubt that NATO would be willing to enforce this no-fly zone in a non-NATO nation, that would mean being willing to shoot down Russian military aircraft, which would surely escalate the war.

Neither Iraq (1991+) nor Bosnia and Herzegovina (1993+) were NATO members, and it served its purpose there. And hence declaring it before Russia invaded. Which forces Russia to choose to shoot down NATO aircraft, or operate outside those zones.

What you're describing is setting up a shooting conflict between nuclear powers. That is bad. Like really bad. It doesn't matter who shoots first because everyone dies.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#137
post #79

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The US will defend NATO. They will nuke Russia's forces if they try to enter Poland. There is no doubt in my mind that is a red line.

There should always be plenty of doubt in your mind if you're saying that the US will use nukes in any situation short of someone else using them first.

The US is the only country that used nukes.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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this whole event smells like a hooligan drive-by and not a planned military operation, too many dirty tricks

That's what war is about. (acting strategic) That's how Hitler was initially so military successful. Act hard, ruthless and be done before the (main) enemy realizes what hit their ally. EDIT: Not saying it's ethical to do so.

Do what the enemy thinks you are too smart to do.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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post #66

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You're overestimating the speed of the attack. Even if the Ukrainians put up no resistance (and they have been putting up resistance) - tanks just don't move that fast/ukraine is a big place. See the dotted lines in this map - that's a rough estimate of how far the Russians have made it in a day. Even if they continue at the same pace overnight (unlikely), and the next day, and the next night, there's still a lot of…

Since they're already shelling Kyiv, they obviously have more options than tanks to take ownership of the governmental apparatus. I can't see how Ukraine can put up any realistic defence given they now have no radar tracking or air support. If your point is "it takes tanks a few days to get to Kyiv", then, yes, that is technically correct. If your point is "Russia needs to invade the whole country", no. They own the…

The US did not control either Iraq nor Afghanistan when they took Baghdad or Kabul, respectively. That‘s not how a much weaker force fights nowadays against the more powerful opponent.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#140
post #21

I can't really tell what's going on here. Is the EU and America supposed to be helping out but it's all promises without real counter attacks? Is this just the calm before the storm as russia places their troops in the right spots while everyone looks on? Anyone who's smarter than me who could enlighten me?

The EU and America have promised to help with economic sanctions on Russia and by providing military aid and lethal aid. The EU and America have explicitly not promised to help out with direct military action against Russia. The United States and Biden have said multiple times that the US will not have forces engage Russia directly in Ukraine. What specific promises are you referring to?

The US makes empty promises. Read the Budapest memorandum in which we made security guarantees so Ukraine would give up its nuclear arsenal[0]. Russian aggression would certainly be much more calculated if Ukraine still had that capability.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit...

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