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Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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Post by hombre_fatal »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #183
gruez wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humanity has also been drinking alcohol for thousands more, doesn't mean it's safe.

fwiw while fermentation is at least as old as farming, distillation into liquor only came about in the renaissance. you have to get really competetive to overdose on beer.

Alcohol is an endocrine/hormone disruptor and has all sorts of effects on the body.

It's kind of like saying sugar isn't bad by bringing up LD50 (13.5g/lb bodyweight). Immediately dying from overdose is probably the last thing people have in mind when discussing what foods are bad for us.

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Post by trts »

voldacar wrote: post #273

It's nice to see the anti seed oil discourse ramping up lately, but I'm sort of pessimistic about this. Like what is the endgame, exactly? Seed oils are in basically everything. Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. It's sort of an absurd thing to even attempt, it would drive you insane.

yes, they are difficult to cut out. Your options are everywhere very much narrowed. But In 90% of cases I've been able to find a satisfactory alternative.

It is interesting how two simple rules (no seed oil, no corn syrup) almost entirely prevent you from putting terrible things in your body. It also repeatedly enforces a more mindful attitude towards diet.

I experimented with removing seed oils for the past six months or so. Almost every year in the winter I get a lot of pain in my joints and especially where previous injuries have occurred. Halfway through this season I've had very little discomfort, and it has been a bad winter where I am.

Recommend checking out this "How It's Made" segment on the process of making this stuff comestible (it involves bleach, very high temperatures and chemical refinement):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfk2IXlZdbI

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Post by scythe »

voldacar wrote: post #273

It's nice to see the anti seed oil discourse ramping up lately, but I'm sort of pessimistic about this. Like what is the endgame, exactly? Seed oils are in basically everything. Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. It's sort of an absurd thing to even attempt, it would drive you insane.

>Like what is the endgame, exactly?

A clear understanding of why these oils cause these problems would be a good start, methinks.

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Post by exhilaration »

SquareWheel wrote: post #104
09bjb wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canola is a branding name to distract you from the fact that the oil is technically from the nearly un-marketable "rapeseed".

Canola is a genetic evolution of rapeseed. They are not the same thing.

Can you provide some links about this? I always assumed that canola and rapeseed were synonymous.

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Post by zaphar »

telchior wrote: post #44

Taking account that this is unproven in humans -- it's enough for me to avoid soybean oil, as cooking oil choice is not very important for my palate. That said, which oils would you use for frying and baking? Most high smoke point oils are, like soybean, polyunsaturated, so I'd guess that they could have some of the same (proposed) negative effects. Bonus points if the alternative is widely available (I see potential…

If I'm frying something I just use Lard. It's cheap and easily available. If I'm saute'ing something then I use Olive oil.

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Post by telchior »

bduerst wrote: post #249
telchior wrote: post #44

Taking account that this is unproven in humans -- it's enough for me to avoid soybean oil, as cooking oil choice is not very important for my palate. That said, which oils would you use for frying and baking? Most high smoke point oils are, like soybean, polyunsaturated, so I'd guess that they could have some of the same (proposed) negative effects. Bonus points if the alternative is widely available (I see potential…

>which oils would you use for frying and baking? Grapeseed oil is my go to. It's fairly neutral in flavor (slight nuttiness), has high smoke point, and is one that is a source of Vitamin E. For frying and then roasting, I use avocado oil, but keep in mind that many avocado oil bought on the shelves are already oxidized or rancid. There's a handful of brands that tested to be pure, one being Chosen Foods (that I use).…

FWIW grapeseed oil is the absolute worst you could use if PUFAs are bad. It's >80% PUFA, higher than any other.

Of course that's based on two suppositions: 1) that the reason soybean oil is bad in this study is its PUFA content, and 2) that it's also bad for humans, not just mice.

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Post by KerryJones »

jacobmischka wrote: post #8

What is soybean oil traditionally called in the US? I've never actually seen "soybean oil" myself (though it surely exists). Is this the same as "vegetable oil"?

Vegetable Oil (as mentioned in another comment) is largely soybean oil

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Post by waffle_maniac »

voldacar wrote: post #273

It's nice to see the anti seed oil discourse ramping up lately, but I'm sort of pessimistic about this. Like what is the endgame, exactly? Seed oils are in basically everything. Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. It's sort of an absurd thing to even attempt, it would drive you insane.

Oils are not an essential nutrient. But many people claim to have a cultural exemption from a decent diet nowadays.

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Post by SquareWheel »

exhilaration wrote: post #284
SquareWheel wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canola is a genetic evolution of rapeseed. They are not the same thing.

Can you provide some links about this? I always assumed that canola and rapeseed were synonymous.

It looks to be covered in the opening paragraph of the Wikipedia article.

> Canola are a group of rapeseed cultivars which were bred to have very low levels of erucic acid and are especially prized for use as human and animal food.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapeseed

They are of course very similar products, but it's not a mere branding difference as the parent comment suggested.

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Post by rileyphone »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #102
primroot wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ALA is alpha-linolenic acid (the essential omega-3 fatty acid). LA is linoleic acid (the essential omega-6 fatty acid). They are the "raw materials" of the Arachidonic Acid Cascade.

So does this mean they should have similar effects on the body or that they are different enough to be essentially just two different fats that are significantly different enough not to draw conclusions that ALA causes the same (potential) effects as LA as brought forth in the article?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_acid_ratio_in_food
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