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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by machiaweliczny »

neilwilson wrote: post #478
uejfiweun wrote: post #139

Does anyone have any projections for how this war will go? Is the Ukrainian military powerful? Will this turn into a guerilla war, or will it go the way of total war? Or will it result in total capitulation? And another key question. What will Western governments actually do? What if the war gets really bad? Does the West actually have the balls to put real, biting sanctions on the regime? And will this crash the eco…

Sanctions can have no meaningful effect on Russia. Not selling somebody your tomatoes primarily affects your tomato growers who will go bust, not those buying the tomatoes - particularly if they have plenty of tomatoes internally, can easily produce them or can get them from those lovely tomato growers in China in return for oil and gas. There's rather too much faith in the power of the mighty US dollar. Quite a few…

You know that arab spring went viral due to lack of wheat imports from Ukraine and Russia due to draught?

Economy is important because it’s felt by ordinary people. In Moscow there were already pretty big protests. I think Putin made a mistake, he could just install fake democratic government and retire in peace.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

kergonath wrote: post #870
BurningFrog wrote: post #670

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia has thousands of nuclear missiles. This makes them immune to NATO invasion.

NATO is entirely unable to invade anything. This is by design.

Tell that to the serbians who were blown up by NATO bombs.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by scotty79 »

flavius29663 wrote: post #846
scotty79 wrote: post #713

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And nationalize all property and capital owned by Russian companies and possibly wealthy individuals.

at what point does that turn into an act of war?

When shots are fired?

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Post by tim333 »

throwaway123x2 wrote: post #613
rozab wrote: post #559

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The same prediction is made in Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics . Many of his recommendations have come to pass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#Con...

I laughed at this one: The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe.[9]

Well they seem to have done quite well with that one. It's a shame it doesn't float or we could tow it a bit further south.

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Post by EthanHeilman »

gls2ro wrote: post #760
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #696

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> What is the endgame here? I think that it's a mistake to assume there must be an endgame.

There is always an endgame. I think the mistake is to use the democratic logic (lets say) to guess the end game in this situation.

There is always a reason but there isn't always an endgame. Political leaders are often just trying to keep their head above the water and they assume things will work to their advantage until they don't at which point they aren't in charge anymore.

What was Andropov endgame in invading Afghanistan. If you read the planning strategy sessions that lead to Afghanistan, it is clear there was no endgame. First it was Afghanistan is not strategically important let it fall. Then it was Afghanistan appears to be important to the US so we should involved. Then finally Afghanistan is strategically critical the Soviet union must invade and do anything it takes to ensure they remain pro-Soviet.

What was the US endgame in Afghanistan after Al Qaeda was defeated? What was Bernie Madoff's or Pol Pot's endgame?

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Post by quadcore »

quadcore wrote: post #615
sillysaurusx wrote: post #352

I’m trying to help my programmer friend escape Ukraine. Since smuggling is a hack, I’d like to ask HN for suggestions on how to pull this off. His elderly father is being drafted. I got a DM from a mutual asking me whether there’s anything I could do for them. I have money but no knowledge of the country; they live there but have no money. During WW2, various affluent people helped smuggle Jews out of Germany. I’d li…

Light travel and water. Then use bikes.

Paracetamol, antibiotics, vitamin C, patches, tooth brush, a lighter or two, a knife and/or scissors, strong and warm clothes, pen and paper, eat soups. I have a pouch to have my papers on my body, not in the pockets. Id start with that. Many other things Id do like take photo of my ID. Get ambassies adressses. Maybe call them, tell them youre coming and hung up.

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Post by Rd6n6 »

VoodooJuJu wrote: post #668

What is the endgame here? Russia is outclassed by NATO both economically and militarily. If NATO intervenes economically, Russia will lose much. If NATO intervenes militarily, Russia will lose much (but at great cost to NATO). The risk of NATO intervention is high, right? Russia understood this before invading, right? So it seems Russia is accepting a high risk of loss. But it doesn't make sense that a nation as soph…

Russia has predicted that the wests sanctions will be mild because they depend on Russia for oil and wheat. Everyone is more afraid of a recession than of future wars. Are they right? Would you be willing to risk your retirement investments from your faang jobs to sanction Russia? Or do you think it’s worth the cost to help discourage future military actions? Honestly curious what individuals think here

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Post by hinkley »

MattGaiser wrote: post #23
hinkley wrote: post #10

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How many machines can Kaspersky brick? I don’t think you want to start this.

It should be illegal to continue to use Kaspersky in the West after today.

Should have been a couple years ago but yes.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by adventured »

baby wrote: post #826
VoodooJuJu wrote: post #668

What is the endgame here? Russia is outclassed by NATO both economically and militarily. If NATO intervenes economically, Russia will lose much. If NATO intervenes militarily, Russia will lose much (but at great cost to NATO). The risk of NATO intervention is high, right? Russia understood this before invading, right? So it seems Russia is accepting a high risk of loss. But it doesn't make sense that a nation as soph…

Putin, as a dictator, doesn’t necessarily respond to the same voices and lobbies that an American administration would. Sure he’d like Russia to be economically stronger, but his own situation will always be fine so it’s hard to care about a few sanctions. Territory and USSR’s old glory though, that talks to a dictator. You also have to think that this plan was started in 2014 with the annexation of Crimea. There was…

> Sure he’d like Russia to be economically stronger, but his own situation will always be fine so it’s hard to care about a few sanctions.

Mussolini certainly didn't expect to be hanging by his toes either. Stalin didn't expect someone close to him to dose him with warfarin. Hitler didn't expect to be cowering in his bunker, ending with blowing his brains out. Gaddafi didn't expect the rebels to capture and shoot him. Saddam didn't think he'd end up hiding in a rat infested spider hole and then hung by his adversaries. And so on.

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