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Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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What products contain soybean oil? I use canola or olive oil, but not sure I've ever bought soybean oil. Is there any reason to think canola would be better?

Canola is a branding name to distract you from the fact that the oil is technically from the nearly un-marketable "rapeseed".

In the UK, we call it rapeseed oil.

Re: Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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Soybean oil the most widely consumed? I would never have guessed. Figured canola would be.

I figured the cheapest oil ( vegetable, canola, etc ) would be the most widely used cooking oil as well. I've never even heard of soybean oil let alone know anyone who uses soybean oil.

In some places, generic "vegetable oil" is all or mostly soybean oil, even some of the cheap brands. The midwest US has lots of corn and soybeans, and it is pretty natural that soybean oil would be fairly common.

And honestly, a lot of oils seem obscure. I use grapeseed oil, but hadn't heard of it 10 years ago. I don't know anyone else that does either. They sell it in one of the grocery store chains here, though, and I decided to try it. Something similar must be the case for soybean oil: Some stores in Norway sell a bottle labeled 'soybean oil', so someone must be buying it.

Re: Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

#93

My understanding is that most of the oils we use are unhealthy. They are highly processed and inflammatory. The good oils are avocado oil, extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil. Is this correct?

Wait, isn't coconut oil bad?

Re: Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

#94
post #40

Result of designing the food supply chain for manufacturer convenience and profit, instead of health of the people. Yeah, but it's the "free market" so we're all supposed to cheer at new products and boo at regulations.

The whole point of the free market is choice so that when people realize that certain things are unhealthy, they are able to switch to something else. Also, we aren't exactly in a free market at the moment: https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=soyb...

Re: Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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From the study: > One additional note on this study — the research team has not yet isolated which chemicals in the oil are responsible for the changes they found in the hypothalamus. But they have ruled out two candidates. It is not linoleic acid, since the modified oil also produced genetic disruptions; nor is it stigmasterol, a cholesterol-like chemical found naturally in soybean oil. 1. We're not mammals that exp…

1. We have common genes going back to mammals who did experience torpor. 2. A study doesn't "own" their data and have exclusive right to interpret this data 3. Someone selling something that they think is beneficial to their customer, does not mean it is not beneficial. I would say most people who sell things honestly think their customers will benefit from their product.

tell me you've never worked in sales without telling me you've never worked in sales

Re: Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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It all started with ancel keys' https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancel_Keys suggestion that cholesterol and animal fat are bad to human.

Whole industry started because of this claim, plant based cooking oil, margarine, trans fat. Each targeted in replacing one aspect of animal oil. Each are later found to be (more) harmful than animal fat.

I would recommend the book big fat surprise https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16130316-the-big-fat-sur... if anyone is interested in learning how the oil industry evolved

Re: Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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> Indian ghee We have been using ghee in India for thousands of years. If immigrant Indians are having problems, they should look into what changed in their diet and lifestyle after they immigrated.

> We have been using ghee in India for thousands of years. Doing something unhealthy for “thousands of years” does not make it healthy.

> unhealthy

There is no concrete evidence that ghee is unhealthy. Even the linked study is only talking about a "possible cause," that too in Indians who are not even in India. Indians adopt western habits when they immigrate. Who knows what they have been eating once they assimilated into English and West Indian societies.

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Humanity has been using Olive Oil for at least 1000 years. So that seems pretty safe to me.

Humanity has also been drinking alcohol for thousands more, doesn't mean it's safe.

Used to be safer than the water. Some places here in the US, it may still be.

Re: Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humanity has been using Olive Oil for at least 1000 years. So that seems pretty safe to me.

Humanity has also been drinking alcohol for thousands more, doesn't mean it's safe.

Alcohol is certainly safe, just not while operating machinery or so much that it poisons you. These are pretty much modern problems. Back in the day, it was safer to drink alcoholic beverages than water. Alcohol wasn’t as strong back then, or use industrial methods so this is like comparing apples to apple juice.

Re: Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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> The same UC Riverside research team found in 2015 that soybean oil induces obesity, diabetes, insulin resistance, and fatty liver in mice. Then in a 2017 study, the same group learned that if soybean oil is engineered to be low in linoleic acid, it induces less obesity and insulin resistance. > “The hypothalamus regulates body weight via your metabolism, maintains body temperature, is critical for reproduction and…

From the study: > One additional note on this study — the research team has not yet isolated which chemicals in the oil are responsible for the changes they found in the hypothalamus. But they have ruled out two candidates. It is not linoleic acid, since the modified oil also produced genetic disruptions; nor is it stigmasterol, a cholesterol-like chemical found naturally in soybean oil. 1. We're not mammals that exp…

Go try and eat only coconut oil for say, 2 weeks, you'll feel the difference.
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