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Post by mercutio2 »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #365
mercutio2 wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gas prices are extremely high for Americans this year, also. But it’s true that Russia isn’t a driving force in that.

Gas/fuel prices are a global commodity, of course the Ukraine conflict will affect Americans, not as much as Europe, but Americans will get a lot of it as well. The middle east is probably loving the influx of income.

Gas in this case means methane, right?

While it’s technically true that there’s shipping of LNG outside of pipelines, my impression is that the market for methane isn’t currently very global.

My point was that the resurgence of economies and cold winters has driven up US methane prices to 2-2.5x where they were a year ago.

I was specifically responding to a commenter implying Americans aren’t experiencing difficulty paying for heating this year.

How much higher are German rates for methane?

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by syki »

dirtyid wrote: post #438
syki wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still think you are right? https://www.businessinsider.com/china-editor-says-must-suppo...

Yes? Both articles support not contradict what I said. PRC recognize RU security grievances are legitimate, i.e. US/NATO at fault (just like in Taiwan scenario), but doesn't overtly support invasion that upsets stability (just like in TW scenario), wants diplomatic solution (again, just like in TW scenario). PRC doesn't want to be dragged into this drama, putting out neutral statements. As acknowledge by Uncle Ming,…

I see no amount of evidence will convince you that China is ok with Russia invading Ukraine. Your thesis about China and international norms is clearly false and your beliefs about China’s position is not supported by the facts.

My contention that Russia has China’s blessing is correct. It’s ok to admit when you are wrong.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by dirtyid »

syki wrote: post #442
dirtyid wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes? Both articles support not contradict what I said. PRC recognize RU security grievances are legitimate, i.e. US/NATO at fault (just like in Taiwan scenario), but doesn't overtly support invasion that upsets stability (just like in TW scenario), wants diplomatic solution (again, just like in TW scenario). PRC doesn't want to be dragged into this drama, putting out neutral statements. As acknowledge by Uncle Ming,…

I see no amount of evidence will convince you that China is ok with Russia invading Ukraine. Your thesis about China and international norms is clearly false and your beliefs about China’s position is not supported by the facts. My contention that Russia has China’s blessing is correct. It’s ok to admit when you are wrong.

You have only posted articles that support my assertions and contradicted yours. It's ok to believe what you want, despite complete lack of evidence.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by littlestymaar »

CRConrad wrote: post #436
littlestymaar wrote: post #126

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> Russia’s claim is basically, “this is ethnically Russian population speaking Russian”. That’s exactly the same claim that China could make about Taiwan. And yet it's not China's claim over Taiwan (and the “speaking Russian” part is kind of difficult to transfer to China and Taiwan).

> (and the “speaking Russian” part is kind of difficult to transfer to China and Taiwan). Isn't the main language in Taiwan the same as in south-east mainland China? (What used to be called Cantonese, but maybe it goes by another name nowadays?)

In addition to what TwoFerMaggie said in the sibling comment, my point was that China isn't and as never been defined as being a group of people speaking the same language (because, well, they don't!)

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Post by dzhiurgis »

actionfromafar wrote: post #425
dzhiurgis wrote: post #386

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> These are people that suddenly lost their nationality No, these people are occupants. They should either deported or jailed. Letting them stay is a democracy glitch that now terrorists like Putin is exploiting.

So you are advocating pogroms? I'll take democracy over that.

Pogroms, genocides, mass murders is what Russia was and is known for.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by dzhiurgis »

CRConrad wrote: post #411
dzhiurgis wrote: post #384

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Sweden has 8x less residents then Germany tho

People always come up with this population-size argument in contexts where it's totally irrelevant[1]. So what if Germany has eight times more residents than Sweden, or Sweden eight times fewer than Germany?!? Everything still works the same, only scaled up or down by a factor of eight: You have eight times more/fewer consumers to supply (with energy, staplers, food, whatever), but you also have eight times more/fewe…

It's relevant, but I'm no expert by how much. Sweden has tons of hydro, Germany has none. Scaling infrastructure is hard af.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by CRConrad »

busterarm wrote: post #251
karpierz wrote: post #241

Anyone have thoughts on how this all pans out? I think that the only way out is that Ukraine cuts off its arm to save the head. It acknowledges the territories as lost, and consolidates what it has left. But I'm not sure how they do that without: 1. The current leader losing legitimacy, and likely resigning. 2. Opening the door for other parts of Ukraine to split off. 3. Opening the door to Russia to meddle in other…

> I don't see NATO involving itself militarily. If a US soldier dies defending Ukraine, I think that enough people will ask "why are we shedding American blood for something that has nothing to do with us?" Which is why it's been so stupid of the US and the EU to push for Ukraine's inclusion into the EU & NATO. All it has done is provoke Russia, who doesn't want foreign influence right on its borders and Ukraine isn'…

> Which is why it's been so stupid of the US and the EU to push for Ukraine's inclusion into the EU & NATO.

Or, it's been stupid of the US and the EU to talk about Ukraine's inclusion into the EU & NATO but not actually do it like, in 2015 - 17 sometime.

> All it has done is provoke Russia, who doesn't want foreign influence right on its borders and Ukraine isn't strategically relevant to NATO anyway.

Why the fuck is what Russia wants so holy? The rest of Europe wouldn't want a third-world country with nukes and a crazy tin-pot dictator on our eastern border, but are we getting that?

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Post by CRConrad »

busterarm wrote: post #306
karpierz wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think NATO particularly wanted to include Ukraine, but they definitely don't want Russia to be able to dictate who is allowed to be included. Russia is aware of this, which is why in order to set the grounds for an invasion of Ukraine, they repeatedly asked NATO "please swear that you'll never let Ukraine into NATO" with the added non-starter of "remove troops from existing NATO countries". And when NATO righ…

The EU still has to consider how other nations will react to their policies. Russia and China are still in the 50-100 years ago mentality and will ruthlessly enforce having buffer states between major powers. Sharing a border is simply not in their interests and they would rather destroy Ukraine than allow it to join the EU. The US would do the same thing. Just think about how much we freaked out over the Cuban Missi…

> Russia and China are still in the 50-100 years ago mentality and will ruthlessly enforce having buffer states between major powers.

How the fuck is that supposed to work, now that Russia is invading and obviously planning to incorporate Ukraine, which already borders on NATO and EU countries? That's Russia removing any buffer. Does that mean Russia now gets to dictate that Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania must leave NATO and the EU, and they and everyone else is just supposed to STFU and obey?

Seems more reasonable that Russia just gets to stick this bit of its "mentality" where the sun don't shine, doesn't it?

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by CRConrad »

mlatu wrote: post #409
foepys wrote: post #122

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Be aware that Fefe is very pro Russia and repeatedly stated that he thinks that Russia is defending itself against Western aggression. He also made fun of multiple people who said that Russia would invade.

i am very aware that he is using his brain to process the news he ingests instead of merely copying what he reads

Having looked around the blog for just a bit, it's utterly obvious that he "is using his brain" to be a total fucking Putin troll.

Figure out for yourself what that makes you for posting that characterization of him.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by CRConrad »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #261
chrisseaton wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The quote is reported by multiple outlets, and he doesn’t deny he said it.

He did not state that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. He insinuated that (in his opinion) it is nonsense to claim Russia had an interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory, and that Putin demands respect and "...probably also deserves it." He was immediately fired afterwards because these personal statements (at a security conference in Asia) interfered with Germany's diplomatic efforts, which is always a…

> He did not state that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine.

Goes to show what he knows. Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size has seen this morning's events coming since Crimea at the latest. The only way to avoid it would have been to make Ukraine a full NATO member in 2015, -16. (For a while I held out hope that the West would see this and do it, but... More fool I, for even hoping.)

> He insinuated that (in his opinion) it is nonsense to claim Russia had an interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory,

Well he was sure right there -- it's not "a small piece of Ukrainian territory" Putin is interested in taking -- but that doesn't seem to have been what he meant, so he "was right" in that respect purely by accident.

> and that Putin demands respect and "...probably also deserves it."

Yeah, right, kleptocratic tinpot dictators deserve soooo much respect.

> He was immediately fired afterwards

And rightfully so. Not just for blabbing where he shouldn't, but hopefully mainly because he seems to be an idiot with no fucking clue.

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