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Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by beeboop »

rosndo wrote: post #265
beeboop wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has caused more death in the past 60 years from military intervention than all other countries combined

Ah, nonsensical whataboutism. How is this relevant to a conversation about Russian actions in Europe? As far as I understand the US still remains on another continent.

If you ignore American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Hawaii, governments that were destabilized and replaced with US-approved leaders, and US military bases in dozens of other countries - sure, yeah, the US remains in north america.

The parent comment has been flagged, but if I recall this conversation about hostility - trying to argue that the US is not hostile and that Russia is somehow unique and uniquely deserving of punishment is ridiculous, which is my point by saying the US has caused millions of deaths in the past 60 years.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by rosndo »

beeboop wrote: post #401
rosndo wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, nonsensical whataboutism. How is this relevant to a conversation about Russian actions in Europe? As far as I understand the US still remains on another continent.

If you ignore American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Hawaii, governments that were destabilized and replaced with US-approved leaders, and US military bases in dozens of other countries - sure, yeah, the US remains in north america. The parent comment has been flagged, but if I recall this conversation about hostility - trying to argue that the US is not hostile and…

US is not hostile towards Europe.

Russia is.

Nobody gives a shit about the bad stuff US is doing elsewhere. It is utterly irrelevant to this conversation about European decisionmaking regarding Russia.

What you’re getting at is meaningless virtue signaling.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by mcv »

another_why wrote: post #398
eitland wrote: post #267

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I meant all European democracies I think, temporarily[1] until we get this mess sorted. [1]: In the long run oil and gas prices should probably increase until solar and nuclear power become very profitable.

> I meant all European democracies Russia is also a European democracy. Surprise > I think, temporarily[1] until we get this mess sorted. > [1]: In the long run oil and gas prices should probably increase until solar and nuclear power become very profitable. Won't happen during your lifetime.

> Russia is also a European democracy. Surprise

Nasty surprises seem to happen to people who credibly oppose Putin. Without free press and free speech, elections don't mean much.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

yorwba wrote: post #329
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #300

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It doesn't matter. From https://lngprime.com/asia/chinas-zhejiang-energy-to-buy-stak... > The firm said it expects Yatek’s gas reserves to rise to 567 billion cubic meters in the third quarter of 2022.

Russia had 48 938 billion cubic meters of proven gas reserves in 2020 ( https://asb.opec.org/data/ASB_Data.php Table 9.1: World proven natural gas reserves by country) Those 567 billion cubic meters might be a big deal for Yatek, but they're a drop in the bucket for the country as a whole.

At the current 1.8m m3/year, they have plenty of time to build a longer pipeline.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by Helmut10001 »

ben_bai wrote: post #199
chess_buster wrote: post #140

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This is correct in regard of electricity, yes.

And electricity is about 21% of the total energy consumed. There is also heating 49% (which is basically all gas and oil) And Mobility 30% (which is basically all oil)

45,8% of new buildings in 2020 had heat pumps, which are most efficient for turning electricity into heat. There are ~1,3 Million heat pumps in Germany currently, which is about 7% of all buildings. Of course, all of this could have been faster without the debate for nuclear (even if - we would not build new nuclear plants at this point, so the discussion is without meaning) and the postponement of renewable energy.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by ilyich »

ttyyzz wrote: post #286
meinersbur wrote: post #187

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> If Germany was truly meaning business, they'd stop Nord Stream 1 If Germany is meaning business, they'd stop buying any gas from Russia. Why would the means how it gets to Germany even matter?

How am I going to heat my house?

You can heat it with solar, wind and democracy.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by darebak »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #362
darebak wrote: post #136

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>His Green coalition partners are NATO hawks though. What's their reasoning?

I would guess because Russia has shown itself to be a bad actor over and over? They kill/imprison people just for being gay. Imagine what they do to dissidents and those who don't "go with the Russian flow". Dealing with Russia of today is dealing with the devil.

This seems like a caricature and not at all honest.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by mlatu »

foepys wrote: post #122
mlatu wrote: post #80

> The decision comes as Europeans grapple with record-high power bills, driven in large part by a gas supply shortage. an artificial shortage made by private investors. the russians are selling the gas as per contract, but because it is cheaper than what you can get on the spot market, some idiots are making a quick buck by selling the cheap gas for the spot market price. well, something like that https://blog.fefe.d…

Be aware that Fefe is very pro Russia and repeatedly stated that he thinks that Russia is defending itself against Western aggression. He also made fun of multiple people who said that Russia would invade.

i am very aware that he is using his brain to process the news he ingests instead of merely copying what he reads

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by CRConrad »

_ph_ wrote: post #11
raxxorrax wrote: post #2

That is not remotely pulling the plug. This is "thinking about it" again. They already stopped accreditation a few weeks ago, otherwise it would already transport gas as the pipeline is already filled. They just say that they have officially stopped the process which they more or less already did. I think in a year it might come online again if the news cycle is on another topic. Overall it will be much more expensiv…

It is dead for all purposes unless the political climate changes radically. Whatever the Russian plans for a gas supplier to Germany were, they are limited to what the existing pipelines can deliver. I hope, we can reduce the dependency on Russian gas quickly, even if it means the additional effort of shipping LNG from the US or other sources. Mid-term it should be highest priority to get rid of fossil fuels as quick…

> Mid-term it should be highest priority to get rid of fossil fuels as quick as possible.

What Germany needs to do, stat!, is to undo its moronic decision to scrap nuclear power. It's not as if the North Sea is very prone to tsunamis. And most of Germany's nuclear plants were probably not even all that close to the coast.

Let's just fervently hope that any plants already decomissioned can be re-comissioned ASAP.

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