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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by eganist »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #374
woodruffw wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any abject suffering that occurs over the next hours, days, and weeks doesn't excuse the historical record of abject suffering imposed by the US military. It's perfectly consistent to be opposed to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and also reject the myth that the US's military is the only thing that maintains world peace.

Also because what Russia is doing right now is the same thing that US tried to do in the Bay of Pigs, settling a puppet government in a portion of a country then make it ask for help? That's CIA 101

This isn't an intelligence organization or unlabeled fighters. This is an actual, state-backed military and a declared invasion.

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Post by kragen »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #352

I’m trying to help my programmer friend escape Ukraine. Since smuggling is a hack, I’d like to ask HN for suggestions on how to pull this off. His elderly father is being drafted. I got a DM from a mutual asking me whether there’s anything I could do for them. I have money but no knowledge of the country; they live there but have no money. During WW2, various affluent people helped smuggle Jews out of Germany. I’d li…

Are you in Ukraine? If not, how will you yeet cash at them?

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Post by throwawaymedia »

r721 wrote: post #207
Kranar wrote: post #172

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I wouldn't expect many people here to know who John Mearsheimer is and honestly the conversation appears to be that you must unequivocally support what the U.S. and West in general have done or else you're some kind of Russian propagandist/puppet.

Mearsheimer is extremely pro-Kremlin pundit though, he's even welcomed [1] at Valdai Discussion Club ("The Valdai conference is closely linked with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has met with the participants of the Valdai Club’s annual meetings every year since its founding." [2]) [1] https://twitter.com/m_suchkov/status/1483765876310511617 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdai_Discussion_Club

He is neither pro-Kremlin nor anti-Kremlin. Mearsheimer is a political scientist with 50+ years of experience. He relies on pure facts and explains why things are the way they are. Nothing more, nothing less.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by Bouncingsoul1 »

motohagiography wrote: post #214
nickpp wrote: post #92

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The speech of a bully, of an aggressor. The only correct reply is a direct retaliatory attack on his offensive positions.

The reason Putin is invading is because he knows the U.S. is weak, its leadership is politically weak, and there's very little it will do, and even if it does, it doesn't have popular support. It's the effect of clear incentives. If the U.S. intervenes, a retaliatory cyber op from Russia against critical infrastructure would make america amish again. Then, wait until midterms when the president loses the house and se…

I don't think Putin has a single reason, the reason you stated is one in particalur an US one. From a Western European view, my best guess is, he also wants to destabilize EU (with a lot of NATO memebers). Remember Syria an the refugee crisis? This gave TailWind to a lot of right wing parties, which are mostly ProRussia (AFD, FPÖ etc). Incidentally left wing parties, "Die Linke" comes to mind, are also Putin fans. So any polarization within EU will help Russia to sell its resources and don't get sanctioned to much. IMO Putin is playing the divisor.

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Post by adreamingsoul »

reitanqild wrote: post #256
forlorn wrote: post #136

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Stay safe, brother, my thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm Russian and wholeheartedly despise this outrageous war crime act of our so-called government.

Hi Russian friends. Good to see you here and good to read your view. You might see me se me support Ukraine or be angry about Russia, but rest assured that I have nothing against Russians as a people, only the ones who tries to invade Ukraine etc. I'm living in the shadow of Russia too and I've just filled my spare water tanks with clean water and I'll fill my car and get some extra fuel for my cooking stove later to…

Do you have a link to Norway’s rules for prepping?

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Post by csomar »

cglan wrote: post #3

It’s sad but my father always told me that the good times we’ve had are unprecedented and they can end faster than we think. I never believed him growing up, institutions and America seemed infallible. It’s sad to say but I think with global warming, covid, and the general decline of American soft power we’ll see more and more global turmoil My heart goes out to Ukraine and its people

> the general decline of American soft power we’ll see more and more global turmoil

I have argued, tons, that America is making the world more peaceful. It was hard to sell especially to Arab/Muslim countries but without a unipolar power, it's lots of small powers fighting each other for territory.

> institutions and America seemed infallible

Couple that with recklessness. Fatca, CRS, Trade deals, etc... lots of countries got screwed bad and treatment from the masters was as bad and discriminatory as it can get. If people sympathies with Putin, you are doing something wrong.

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Post by notch656a »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #360
nickpp wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The speech of a bully, of an aggressor. The only correct reply is a direct retaliatory attack on his offensive positions.

Take a big dose of Realpolitik and leave the "ought to"s behind. There's no nanny to tattle to. Nuclear war is a losing move for us all. Don't encourage it's happening out of some sense of moral justice that will kill billions.

If we don't initiate nuclear war, a nuclear war would be on Putin. He can do that with or without us defending Ukraine, I don't see how you could blame nuclear war on anyone but the aggressor. Put this pathetic dog down.

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Post by azinman2 »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #374
woodruffw wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any abject suffering that occurs over the next hours, days, and weeks doesn't excuse the historical record of abject suffering imposed by the US military. It's perfectly consistent to be opposed to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and also reject the myth that the US's military is the only thing that maintains world peace.

Also because what Russia is doing right now is the same thing that US tried to do in the Bay of Pigs, settling a puppet government in a portion of a country then make it ask for help? That's CIA 101

How many hundreds of thousands of Americans troops surrounded Cuba during bay of pigs?

Is not the same thing.

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Post by dinamic »

Trasmatta wrote: post #180
dinamic wrote: post #112

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Civilian donations to a state military? I don't really think that's a thing...pretty sure this is a scam.

No, it's not!

Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_Back_Alive

Facebook page with 3 million followers: https://www.facebook.com/backandalive/

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