Putin is following the US business model: Attack on other sovereign countries to sell weapons. Though I doubt he would be as successful as the US.
Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack
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#372I really hope the world comes down hard on Russia with sanctions and support for Ukraine, but I’m afraid that so much of Europe depends on Russian gas that they won’t risk getting cut off. Which begs the question: how did Europe allow itself to come to depend so heavily on Russian energy? And how quickly can Russia pivot to buy energy from elsewhere (for a reasonable price)?
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#373If the west fails to act effectively, I bet China will invade Taiwan in the following years.
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#374I've worked at tech companies that despise helping the US military. Please understand that the world is complex and although all superpowers have done terrible things, helping the US is the only way our children will live in a peaceful world. This isn't about democrats or republicans, the future of humanity will be decided in the next decade.
Any abject suffering that occurs over the next hours, days, and weeks doesn't excuse the historical record of abject suffering imposed by the US military. It's perfectly consistent to be opposed to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and also reject the myth that the US's military is the only thing that maintains world peace.
Also because what Russia is doing right now is the same thing that US tried to do in the Bay of Pigs, settling a puppet government in a portion of a country then make it ask for help? That's CIA 101
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#375Earlier quoted context omitted.
Will the people downvoting this comment mind telling me what is wrong with it? I'm not a Russian apologist, just a fan of history, and am trying to understand why so many people reject this narrative. edit: Now I am downvoted too just for asking..? This just makes me think that there is not a solid answer?
Now the original comment is flagged and gone. I will still leave this reply here because it expands on the original comments claim with more sources than just Wikipedia; > We then openly backed the 2014 putsch in Kiev, an open act of aggression just as irresponsible as a military incursion. CIA John Brennan, Senator John McCain, and Diplomat Victoria Nuland were there in Ukraine when Yanukovych was being overthrown.…
Arseniy Yatsenyuk is not in power since 2016, what that has to do with invasion of Ukraine?
And only power he got was that in autumn of 2014 his party got a fairly good numbers, that's why he became a PM, not because Americans have put him there.
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When the thug has nuclear weapons, responses get a lot trickier.
I'd say in this case everyone has nuclear weapons i.e. thug and bystanders with abundant second strike capabilities and also a healthy desire to live. With that level of mutually assured destruction, conflict if any would almost certainly stay conventional. In fact if NATO had moved in about 50 to 100K troops at the invitation of Ukraine sometime over the past 3 months, its really unlikely that Putin would have upped…
> In fact if NATO had moved in about 50 to 100K troops at the invitation of Ukraine sometime over the past 3 months,
Meanwhile Russia being right on the border quickly invades Ukraine before the NATO troops can arrive and now we have NATO troops entering a war zone or pulling back and looking even weaker. Also, this sounds eerily like the start of WWI although then it was Russia mobilizing and Germany then decided to move quickly into Belgium and North into Russia.
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#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
The speech of a bully, of an aggressor. The only correct reply is a direct retaliatory attack on his offensive positions.
Take a big dose of Realpolitik and leave the "ought to"s behind. There's no nanny to tattle to. Nuclear war is a losing move for us all. Don't encourage it's happening out of some sense of moral justice that will kill billions.
Then where does he stop?
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Stay safe, brother, my thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm Russian and wholeheartedly despise this outrageous war crime act of our so-called government.
If you are Russian in Russia right now I'd love to hear what the majority public sentiment in the country is.
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there are other countries that are closer to Russia than cities like Kyiv , but Russia is invading them also, why Russia should decide on how other countries decide their internal affairs? Ukraine doesn't need the approval of Russia to join or not join NATO.
You are right, Ukraine doesn't need the approval of Russia, however, becoming a member of NATO is only possible if membership does not affect security of any other country. That's written on paper and one of the conditions. But since the US politics is against Russia (for some _stupid_ reasons - do a research and educate yourself), Ukraine becoming a member of NATO is a direct threat to Russia. Edit: I also want to a…
SHIT, Ukraine is not in NATO, it is not on track on joining NATO,
It was clear for everyone in Ukraine that with Crimea and LNR/DNR nobody would accept Ukraine into NATO.
There wasn't much support for NATO in Ukraine internally before seizure of Crimea. Who's in the wrong here? Hmm, I don't know.