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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by kqr »

ripvanwinkle wrote: post #316
jacobolus wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the thug has nuclear weapons, responses get a lot trickier.

I'd say in this case everyone has nuclear weapons i.e. thug and bystanders with abundant second strike capabilities and also a healthy desire to live. With that level of mutually assured destruction, conflict if any would almost certainly stay conventional. In fact if NATO had moved in about 50 to 100K troops at the invitation of Ukraine sometime over the past 3 months, its really unlikely that Putin would have upped…

> With that level of mutually assured destruction, conflict if any would almost certainly stay conventional.

It's useful to remember that "almost certainly" is a synonym for "not necessarily".

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by keewee7 »

anshumankmr wrote: post #217

It is quite interesting to see publications like Jacobin posting obvious flame bait such as this: https://twitter.com/jacobin/status/1496693868955246599 . Even Tucker Carlson is parroting Russian propaganda. https://i.redd.it/pr9tnneyemj81.png I hope the Ukrainian people fight back as hard as they can and the governments of the world help them in any way they can.

Tucker Carlson and the rest of the Republican party's support for Russia boils down to "we need Russian support against China".

Have they actually been to Russia? The country is intensely anti-Western and already on the verge of becoming a Chinese puppet state.

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Post by ironcurtain »

radu_floricica wrote: post #303
mysecretaccount wrote: post #38

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Will the people downvoting this comment mind telling me what is wrong with it? I'm not a Russian apologist, just a fan of history, and am trying to understand why so many people reject this narrative. edit: Now I am downvoted too just for asking..? This just makes me think that there is not a solid answer?

Buffer, yes. But the Maidan protests started because Russia made the first power grab. The very openly pro-Russian government of the time had just passed legislation that put Ukraine on a direct path towards becoming what is now Belarus. TBH, if that hadn't happen, we'd just have Ukraine more or less locked by Putin now. So no, we're not talking about a buffer zone, sorry. Not even in the strict military sense - the…

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by NmAmDa »

asdff wrote: post #176
jacobolus wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the thug has nuclear weapons, responses get a lot trickier.

The US has a major security advantage in terms of mutually assured destruction in that its home to many people from around the world. There are like tens of thousands of Americans living in all of Russia or China. Meanwhile, there are millions of both Russian and Chinese Americans in the U.S.. This provides safety. Good luck finding morale in your military after you've just told them to nuke millions of their own peo…

mutually assured destruction will not leave you any functioning military to have morale after nuking US. And in this case we will test the nuclear winter theory. Hopefully we can avoid that.

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Post by innermate »

forlorn wrote: post #136
osynavets wrote: post #115

Kharkiv, 25 miles to Russia. Just want to say that we are strong, we are confident about our army and I hope that everything will be fine. I'm sorry that I share content like this on this platform, but that's my reality

Stay safe, brother, my thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm Russian and wholeheartedly despise this outrageous war crime act of our so-called government.

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Post by KTallguy »

erikig wrote: post #270
agumonkey wrote: post #197

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Good times breed bad times. PS: I agree about the feeling of infaillible institution and international order..

I don't know if it helpful during times like these but it sounds like the quote by G. Michael Hopf: Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times

A useful series of posts that thoroughly debunk this quote/meme.

https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-...

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Post by heartbreak »

freeflight wrote: post #239
nikolayasdf123 wrote: post #150

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nobody is helping ukraine with any military so far. nor NATO nor any other allies. it is sad, but whole ukraine can fall within days.

> but whole ukraine can fall within days I'd be very surprised if this extends too far past separatists territories.

Have you checked the news today?

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by jareklupinski »

Gatsky wrote: post #75

> "To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside: if you do, you will face consequences greater than any of you have faced in history. All relevant decisions have been taken. I hope you hear me."

"Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak."

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Post by keewee7 »

xyzal wrote: post #284

If the west fails to act effectively, I bet China will invade Taiwan in the following years.

Russia is intentionally hyping up the risk of nuclear war and WW3.

Western leaders should impose total sanctions on Russia but also calm their own populations that there will not be any military confrontation with Russia.

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