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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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> "To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside: if you do, you will face consequences greater than any of you have faced in history. All relevant decisions have been taken. I hope you hear me."

The speech of a bully, of an aggressor. The only correct reply is a direct retaliatory attack on his offensive positions.

And it's the only reply that could stop him. He is basically Hitler 2.0.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Are you suggesting that neighboring countries should go to war to defend Ukraine? If I see a street mugging then I'll call the police but I'm not going to risk getting shot in order to intervene in a random street crime. This is obviously a terrible situation for the Ukrainian people but at the same time they could have done a lot more to prevent it. They essentially let their military deterrent collapse years ago th…

Does it need to be "go to war"? How many NATO aircraft would it take to give the Ukrainians on the ground the upper hand? For all his bluster, do you think Putin really wants to escalate beyond Ukraine? He's playing a game of chicken with the west and winning. Hitler did the same thing right up until 1939. From what I've read he was actually surprised that the allies finally called his bluff after Poland, considering…

> do you think Putin really wants to escalate beyond Ukraine? He's playing a game of chicken with the west and winning.

Have you read his recent announcement? He warned every foreign nation not to meddle or else:

> To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside - if you do, you will face consequences greater than any you have faced in history,’ he said on a television broadcast around 6am Moscow time.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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> "To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside: if you do, you will face consequences greater than any of you have faced in history. All relevant decisions have been taken. I hope you hear me."

So he aims to be scarier than Hitler? Quite an ambition. Tragic for everyone involved.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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This whole action makes no sense to me. I do not understand Putin's motivation here. I can't see an economic or political justification. The only reason I can think of is that he just yearns for more power regardless of the costs. Can anyone provide any possible reasons Putin would have for doing this?

The wheels for this have been in motion for decades. If the US tries to intervene, the right will skewer Biden. Can you imagine the headlines if Biden went to war over Ukraine???

There's never been a better time for Russia to annex it's neighbor, at least since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it was looking for a little while like the West might make peace with Russia. In the post collapse of the Soviet Union, Billionaire Oligarchs emerged that controlled most of the business and finance while the Russian population was extremely poor. When the Russian judicial system went after a few of them, and specifically Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the US immediately started to sanc…

> blaming Putin for Trump winning the election

What do you call it when the Russian state hacks the the political party institution in America before an election?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_...

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that neighboring countries should go to war to defend Ukraine? If I see a street mugging then I'll call the police but I'm not going to risk getting shot in order to intervene in a random street crime. This is obviously a terrible situation for the Ukrainian people but at the same time they could have done a lot more to prevent it. They essentially let their military deterrent collapse years ago th…

Does it need to be "go to war"? How many NATO aircraft would it take to give the Ukrainians on the ground the upper hand? For all his bluster, do you think Putin really wants to escalate beyond Ukraine? He's playing a game of chicken with the west and winning. Hitler did the same thing right up until 1939. From what I've read he was actually surprised that the allies finally called his bluff after Poland, considering…

NATO aircraft doing what? If they shoot at Russian forces then the Russians will shoot back, and then we're in an escalating war.

I think Putin wants to escalate beyond Ukraine and conquer at least parts of the Baltic countries. Hopefully NATO will stand firm against that.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Between this and the takeover of Afghanistan it certainly has been an extremely sad year. The End of History? Not so fast. Free people not having a good run here.

The US was an occupier of Afganistan. The US agreed to a withdrawal in exchange for a truce with the Taliban under the previous administration, which was honored by the next administration. This is an invasion of a peaceful country by its neighbor. They are complete opposites.

Al-Queda attacked New York city unprovoked. Not an invasion and not defending US, just that it was not American expansionism that led to invasion of Afghanistan. US has no interest in imperialism.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Does anyone have any projections for how this war will go? Is the Ukrainian military powerful? Will this turn into a guerilla war, or will it go the way of total war? Or will it result in total capitulation? And another key question. What will Western governments actually do? What if the war gets really bad? Does the West actually have the balls to put real, biting sanctions on the regime? And will this crash the eco…

nobody is helping ukraine with any military so far. nor NATO nor any other allies. it is sad, but whole ukraine can fall within days.

> but whole ukraine can fall within days

I'd be very surprised if this extends too far past separatists territories.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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nobody is helping ukraine with any military so far. nor NATO nor any other allies. it is sad, but whole ukraine can fall within days.

Nobody is helping ukraine with any military, period. There is zero appetite for yet another military conflict in any western country, especially not with a country armed with nukes and with a madman's hand on the trigger. The response will just be yet more sanctions. If Russia provokes a NATO member then it's time to invest in those doomsday bunkers.

> Nobody is helping ukraine with any military, period. This is not true.
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