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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by int_19h »

paxys wrote: post #152
forlorn wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stay safe, brother, my thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm Russian and wholeheartedly despise this outrageous war crime act of our so-called government.

If you are Russian in Russia right now I'd love to hear what the majority public sentiment in the country is.

Do keep in mind that, according to the official interpretation of events in Russia - which is all you get if you stick to the TV - it was Ukraine that started shooting and shelling civilians, and Russia is "peacekeeping".

From some of my own relatives, I can attest that at least some people sincerely believe this.

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Post by oreally »

philliphaydon wrote: post #85
voisin wrote: post #61

Has China weighed in at all?

China already stated they support Russia 100% because they need Russia to defend against the west. There was a document posted by Chinese media yesterday stating how to censor Russia content. Anything pro Russia to be promoted and anything against to be scrubbed. Edit: This was screen grabbed from Weibo which was posted by Horizon News. (sorry got the wrong news agency) https://twitter.com/lingli_vienna/status/149609…

Wait up, they didn't explicitly show support for russia in the UNSC meetings on ukraine, so that at least that means something.

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Post by throwaway_4ever »

voisin wrote: post #61

Has China weighed in at all?

China's ambassador to UN Security Council today, 45 minutes after the invasion, basically said "we call on all parties to stop escalations and proceed diplomatically." (no shit) Honestly, I'm baffled that this type of trite platitude makes it into the highest important discourse in the world, but here we are, for insane political shirking reasons.

EDIT: China now calling West to blame for situation and there isn't an invasion.

If anyone had any doubts as to the morality of Chinese leadership these days...

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Post by speedgoose »

dealforager wrote: post #8

I've worked at tech companies that despise helping the US military. Please understand that the world is complex and although all superpowers have done terrible things, helping the US is the only way our children will live in a peaceful world. This isn't about democrats or republicans, the future of humanity will be decided in the next decade.

US the only way for a peaceful world? You should read a bit on the USA history and its military conflicts and you may change your mind. Wikipedia is a good starting point.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by Borrible »

Oh, just in case. How will NATO respond if one of its members invokes NATO Article 5 in the near future because of cyberattacks against it?

Kinetic attacks, of course, are easy to classify, even if they happened accidentally. For example near the polish border.

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Post by unityByFreedom »

Osiris wrote: post #171

This whole action makes no sense to me. I do not understand Putin's motivation here. I can't see an economic or political justification. The only reason I can think of is that he just yearns for more power regardless of the costs. Can anyone provide any possible reasons Putin would have for doing this?

I don't think it benefits him either, but maybe he doesn't see that yet. If he starts feeling the losses he could still get out of it by cancelling the military campaign and pursuing diplomacy.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by paxys »

nikolayasdf123 wrote: post #150
uejfiweun wrote: post #139

Does anyone have any projections for how this war will go? Is the Ukrainian military powerful? Will this turn into a guerilla war, or will it go the way of total war? Or will it result in total capitulation? And another key question. What will Western governments actually do? What if the war gets really bad? Does the West actually have the balls to put real, biting sanctions on the regime? And will this crash the eco…

nobody is helping ukraine with any military so far. nor NATO nor any other allies. it is sad, but whole ukraine can fall within days.

Nobody is helping ukraine with any military, period. There is zero appetite for yet another military conflict in any western country, especially not with a country armed with nukes and with a madman's hand on the trigger. The response will just be yet more sanctions. If Russia provokes a NATO member then it's time to invest in those doomsday bunkers.

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Post by throwaway829 »

Osiris wrote: post #171

This whole action makes no sense to me. I do not understand Putin's motivation here. I can't see an economic or political justification. The only reason I can think of is that he just yearns for more power regardless of the costs. Can anyone provide any possible reasons Putin would have for doing this?

Ukraine joining Nato is akin to the Cuban missile crisis. Nato is WW3 in the making. It's an idiotic pact that agrees if Russia does anything deemed hostile, they all have to declare war. It's the same stupid type of pact that caused ww1 & ww2. The people pushing it want war with Russia. It will only benefit fat cat oligarchs. You will pay the taxes and you will be doing the dying.

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Post by 8note »

rectang wrote: post #109
throwaway5752 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US was an occupier of Afganistan. The US agreed to a withdrawal in exchange for a truce with the Taliban under the previous administration, which was honored by the next administration. This is an invasion of a peaceful country by its neighbor. They are complete opposites.

The similarity is that the both the Russians and the Taliban do not allow for self-determination by the citizenry.

Russia argues that it's defending the self determination of ethnic Russians in the Ukraine.

Maintaining the current borders does not advocate for self determination. War might not either, but the Ukraine isn't going to give up that land peacefully

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Post by agumonkey »

whyenot wrote: post #39
ginja wrote: post #6

I just woke up to this news and I'm wondering if it's possible for Apple and Google to brick all Russian phones? This would probably be more effective on their population at large than any form of sanctions.

Even if it's possible, for Apple, it would be an utterly disastrous thing to do. Imagine the damage to its reputation. If they were to do it in this situation, the argument would go, what about other situations? What about all the phones they sell in China, for example. Are there circumstances where they should brick all US Democrat or Republican phones? It would be the end of Apple, and that's why it would (hopefull…

Maybe a gray fail ? No bricking but random lag and failures
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