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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Half of Russia supports an invasion. A minority is opposed. Was a poll

These are laughable numbers, trust me. It's the opposite in reality.

You mean propaganda plus fear of being arrested if speaking against the king ?

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Does anyone have any projections for how this war will go? Is the Ukrainian military powerful? Will this turn into a guerilla war, or will it go the way of total war? Or will it result in total capitulation? And another key question. What will Western governments actually do? What if the war gets really bad? Does the West actually have the balls to put real, biting sanctions on the regime? And will this crash the eco…

Ukraine won't exist in 48 hours; the fact that the Azov battalion exists should be an indicator that very few will fight for the government.

Not sure why the existence of a volunteer militia indicates a general unwillingness to fight for the government?

The US also has plenty of volunteer militias, yet I doubt that could be seen as an indicator for Americans unwillingness to fight for their country.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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nobody is helping ukraine with any military so far. nor NATO nor any other allies. it is sad, but whole ukraine can fall within days.

> but whole ukraine can fall within days I'd be very surprised if this extends too far past separatists territories.

Haven't there already been attacks way outside of the separatist territories?

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I've worked at tech companies that despise helping the US military. Please understand that the world is complex and although all superpowers have done terrible things, helping the US is the only way our children will live in a peaceful world. This isn't about democrats or republicans, the future of humanity will be decided in the next decade.

The US moto is the same as that of the fictional character Peacemaker: "I cherish peace with all my heart. I don't care how many men, women, and children I need to kill to get it."

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Does anyone have any projections for how this war will go? Is the Ukrainian military powerful? Will this turn into a guerilla war, or will it go the way of total war? Or will it result in total capitulation? And another key question. What will Western governments actually do? What if the war gets really bad? Does the West actually have the balls to put real, biting sanctions on the regime? And will this crash the eco…

Ukraine won't exist in 48 hours; the fact that the Azov battalion exists should be an indicator that very few will fight for the government.

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it was looking for a little while like the West might make peace with Russia. In the post collapse of the Soviet Union, Billionaire Oligarchs emerged that controlled most of the business and finance while the Russian population was extremely poor. When the Russian judicial system went after a few of them, and specifically Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the US immediately started to sanc…

I'm neither Russian or American but you're seeing through tinted glasses.

Russia's direct interference through social media over the past decade has paled in comparison to... what, indirect interference of supporting a neighbor who wants independence?

If everyone around you would rather associate with the other side of the planet, maybe you have to take a look at yourself. Russia is not equipped for such introspection and self-driven reform. Joining NATO is not remotely equivalent to annexation.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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I've worked at tech companies that despise helping the US military. Please understand that the world is complex and although all superpowers have done terrible things, helping the US is the only way our children will live in a peaceful world. This isn't about democrats or republicans, the future of humanity will be decided in the next decade.

The US moto is the same as that of the fictional character Peacemaker: "I cherish peace with all my heart. I don't care how many men, women, and children I need to kill to get it."

Yesterday we'd have laughed at this. Today we get it.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Russia advanced under Obama, Trump, and now Biden. This war is entirely on Putin's shoulders.

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Right, just "separatists" who happened to start fighting to expand Putin's empire and give him the region that supplies Russia's military with raw materials. From 2014,

> Nevertheless, following its actions in Crimea, there is justified concern that Russia could now aim to annex eastern Ukraine. Unlike on the Crimean peninsula, there is not a large majority here who feel like they belong to Russia - and only about a quarter of the population of the east overall are ethnic Russians.

https://www.dw.com/en/the-significance-of-the-donbas/a-17567...

Trump did not want to stand up to Putin, so the early work to annex eastern Ukraine didn't make the news very often. Trump had no response to it.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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This whole action makes no sense to me. I do not understand Putin's motivation here. I can't see an economic or political justification. The only reason I can think of is that he just yearns for more power regardless of the costs. Can anyone provide any possible reasons Putin would have for doing this?

Ukraine joining Nato is akin to the Cuban missile crisis. Nato is WW3 in the making. It's an idiotic pact that agrees if Russia does anything deemed hostile, they all have to declare war. It's the same stupid type of pact that caused ww1 & ww2. The people pushing it want war with Russia. It will only benefit fat cat oligarchs. You will pay the taxes and you will be doing the dying.

Even if that were true, it doesn't justify annexing a country and erasing a nation.
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