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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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I've worked at tech companies that despise helping the US military. Please understand that the world is complex and although all superpowers have done terrible things, helping the US is the only way our children will live in a peaceful world. This isn't about democrats or republicans, the future of humanity will be decided in the next decade.

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Stop spreading Russian propaganda that is 60 years out of date.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Russian tanks and artillery don't use the Google Play Store. You're witnessing a mechanized land war in Ukraine, Silicon Valley won't solve this one.

> Russian tanks and artillery don't use the Google Play Store. But the wives and children of those who move them do. People in the West don't seem to notice a crucial aspect of modern Russia: extended families of those in charge live in the West. They study in Stanford and Harvard, mingle in Aspen, have holiday homes in the Hamptons. Russia is merely a piggy bank to finance that lifestyle. They are at the mercy of We…

Many people in Russia know how to root their android phone or has a relative\friend who knows.

Also this will mostly affect relatively poor people who will just carry on with their factory jobs or whatever. They will just use landline.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

#193
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Stay safe, brother, my thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm Russian and wholeheartedly despise this outrageous war crime act of our so-called government.

If you are Russian in Russia right now I'd love to hear what the majority public sentiment in the country is.

People really fear war and economic sanctions, everyone around me are watching live currency exchange quotes and stock markets. Noboby around me supports the invasion or even understands why it's happening. It's like an abbyss between the head of the state and the people. Can't say for everyone of course.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

#194

To some extent this situation feels analogous to a street mugging happening in very slow motion The thug accosts the victim, threatens and then proceeds to assault the victim in full view of a large number of bystanders who are numerous enough to defend the victim and alter the outcome but not convicted enough to take on the inconvenience of doing so. Nevertheless all the bystanders voice words of encouragement and s…

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

#195
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I am curious, what do Russians think of this. Does anyone support him? Is it completely just one maniac with his friends running this. Is his propaganda that effective that Russians agree with any of it. I think if anyone can stop him, it has to be ordinary Russians. I don’t see sanctions or warnings from Biden or EU doing anything. And they will never directly step in and protect the Ukranian people.

Russians (some of them, to clarify) associate the current Ukrainian regime with Nazism/fascism. After all, far right groups were a major part of the 2014 revolution/putsch. https://crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-au... (note: the disinformation section is especially relevant)

"Yes/No" support is a bit of an over-simplifaction of the situation.

There's two major axes, here.

The government is pushing the 'Ukranian neo-nazis' propaganda, because it's a convenient bullshit excuse (as is all the spilled ink in Putin's essay about long-dead history). Some soft-headed people obviously believe that wholesale. What isn't an excuse, though, is that Ukraine did take steps to restrict its Russian minority. Many Russians who don't swallow the neo-nazi nonsense are sympathetic to that view on the situation (for, uh, obvious nationalistic reasons).

Now, whether or not sympathy for that is sufficient grounds to do nothing and respect Ukrainian sovereignty, to prosecute a proxy war, a limited war, or a full war all depends on how much of a warhawk you personally are.

My highly unscientific feeling is that public support rests somewhere north of 'most Russians believe that Ukraine has been repressing Russians, and would support a proxy war', and somewhere short of 'drive the fascist swine out - prosecute a full war and occupation of Kiev'.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

#196
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how much support from russians does putin have for this kind of invasion?

Half of Russia supports an invasion. A minority is opposed. Was a poll

Russia is a state that actively dissapears dissenters. I'm not sure how much you can trust polls.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

#197
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It’s sad but my father always told me that the good times we’ve had are unprecedented and they can end faster than we think. I never believed him growing up, institutions and America seemed infallible. It’s sad to say but I think with global warming, covid, and the general decline of American soft power we’ll see more and more global turmoil My heart goes out to Ukraine and its people

Good times breed bad times.

PS: I agree about the feeling of infaillible institution and international order..

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

#198

I've worked at tech companies that despise helping the US military. Please understand that the world is complex and although all superpowers have done terrible things, helping the US is the only way our children will live in a peaceful world. This isn't about democrats or republicans, the future of humanity will be decided in the next decade.

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I think you're just repeating what the parent comment said. Some big tech companies refuse to work with the American military.

I don't know if that's a good idea or not. I'm conflicted by my own hatred of the American government. At the same time, the obvious consequences of big tech refusing to work with the American military is a relative loss of power compared to countries like Russia.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

#199
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Has China weighed in at all?

China already stated they support Russia 100% because they need Russia to defend against the west. There was a document posted by Chinese media yesterday stating how to censor Russia content. Anything pro Russia to be promoted and anything against to be scrubbed. Edit: This was screen grabbed from Weibo which was posted by Horizon News. (sorry got the wrong news agency) https://twitter.com/lingli_vienna/status/149609…

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/russia-and-chin...

For and article showing their cooperation. I would imagine China is. Wry curious about the actions and resolve of the West in this situation.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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I've worked at tech companies that despise helping the US military. Please understand that the world is complex and although all superpowers have done terrible things, helping the US is the only way our children will live in a peaceful world. This isn't about democrats or republicans, the future of humanity will be decided in the next decade.

Is what Russia is doing in Ukraine right now too different from the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan?

It's certainly different from Afghanistan. The invasion of Afghanistan by the United States was preceded by an attack by Al Qaeda on New York City. The attack by Russia on Ukraine is completely unprovoked.
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