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In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously
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Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously
#822Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ve heard a lot of reports of popular exchanges freezing accounts of customers who traded with other exchanges that don’t have strong KYC requirements. How am I supposed to exchange for Monero if Coinbase (and the state of New York) dislike it? I’m not trying to be sarcastic. I genuinely don’t know what to do in order to use Monero.
Where are these reports of popular exchanges freezing customer accounts? I'm also genuinely curious, because I've never heard of them, and a cursory Google search isn't turning up much. As for exchanging for Monero, there's starting to be the option of atomic swaps with Bitcoin. Alternatively, you could also try going through one of the various non-KYC automated swapping services.
Ahh -- it seems there are quite a few cases of what you mentioned here: https://sethforprivacy.com/posts/fungibility-graveyard/
Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously
#823Earlier quoted context omitted.
No-one is talking about banning the concept of a transaction. It's about being able to pay for basic needs (rent, bills, food) via cash. This is not some impossible crazy thing. Cash was used for >90% of purchases including weekly bills not that long ago whilst skyscrapers and big business deals didn't involve briefcases of cash being thrown around.
How do you even pay for rent or utility bills with cash? I'm 39; so maybe too young to have experienced that but how does it even practically work? Did your landlord pop round once a month? For utility bills, did you go to the bank and ask them to transfer cash to a utility company; or maybe at a post office? Or did the utility company send someone around to collect cash payments?
You're here because you're an engineer, right?
I have a bank account. You give me £100 and tell me to send £100 to 00273 00338435. Done.
As other posters have said, in many countries this is a Service(tm) but generally, unless you've gimped payments anyone can just do this.
Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously
#824Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nah because banks exist and can make digital transactions when you give them cash. Literally, if you were standing next to me, you can give me 10 quid and I can send someone else that ten quid. You have paid them ten quid using cash, reasonably anonymously in a way that cannot be easily blocked or censored as long as cash exists. This becomes far, far less convenient or feasible if we only have barter and now you nee…
> banks exist and can make digital transactions when you give them cash. And as soon as I use a bank for this, I am no longer protected against law enforcement preventing me from paying my bills and supporting myself, which was supposed to be the whole point of using cash in the first place. Law enforcement can block banks from making digital transactions on my behalf just as easily as they can freeze my accounts at…
Ok, so go to me, I'll send the funds.
I feel like people want this centralized vision of money. Just give someone cash to do a transfer.
Why so bureaucracy? What's the point?
Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously
#825Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds fair as long as you are representing my views. When the coin flips I will get the unfairness of it. This is what current supporters of the regime (I guess we can now call it that) don't understand yet.
You're talking to one right now. So let's discuss. My view is that everyone has the right to protest whenever and whatever. And you can also as part of your protest show a little bit of civil disobedience, like break a few windows, burn a fire can, chant loudly through the night keeping everyone awake, or block some roads. Something to really get people to pay attention and really listen to what you have to protest a…
You describe protests as is they were an election campaign, with a well defined resolution mechanic and oriented to the public. they are not
the target audience of a protest is the people in power, they build on public opinion and wield it as a show against those in power.
also this can happen in many way, it could be a parent chaining themselves in front of town hall or an orderly march.
also a blockade does not sound like civil disobedience, in the face of these restriction civil disobedience would be not following the restrictions and opening anyway. (in civil disobedience you generally break only the laws you are protesting against)
Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously
#826Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is literally not what happened in Canada. The Emergencies Act does not allow the government to violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It must also be agreed to by the provinces. It's use has a fixed duration and scope of action. It was designed to prevent executive over-reach while still allowing the government, at the federal level, to respond to unprecedented situations that require it. Everyone who was a…
> It's use has a fixed duration and scope of action. Sounds like "15 days to flatten the curve". > Everyone who was arrested at the illegal occupation is being given the same rights and freedoms everyone gets in this country. The accounts and crypto wallets being frozen and seized are those that belong to people organizing and funding the occupation. "occupation" is an interesting word choice. Others might describe i…
> Others might describe it as a protest against an unwarranted violation of their rights and freedoms.
They can call it what they want. The courts will decide whether they were peacefully demonstrating as you suggest.
Section 2(c) of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is what gives Canadians the right to free and peaceful assembly... within certain limits. It doesn't give the right to riot, hate speech, or blockade lawful activities; nor does it give us the right to impede the authorities from managing a demonstration.
It has only been tried a handful of times. If you push the limits or break the rules you can face arrest. But you'll get your day in court and plead your case. We'll have to wait and see what comes of these trials.
Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously
#827> The government’s action is troubling enough, but what should really disturb us is the ease and invisibility with which it is being done. This is such a great point. I'm not sure why it needs to be made over and over again, but it seems that's the only way it doesn't get buried. Let's play a game. I will be the institution, you will be the person. You will get ability to record me with your cellphone and post stuff…
This is literally not what happened in Canada. The Emergencies Act does not allow the government to violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It must also be agreed to by the provinces. It's use has a fixed duration and scope of action. It was designed to prevent executive over-reach while still allowing the government, at the federal level, to respond to unprecedented situations that require it. Everyone who was a…
I feel like we're overrun by troll and bot farms. Compelling content directly out of the tinfoil hat "freedom convoy" bible.
Canadians are happy to have their cities back. Most of them (90%+), and most truckers (90%+), realize we're all in this together and don't try to hold their fellow citizens hostage.
You need to recognize the sources on these are the same who've been saying that requiring someone to not infect other people when going to public places is the same as being a Nazi.
90% of people disagree. The nazis are the ones imposing their views on everyone else.
Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously
#828Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had my only personal UK bank account frozen without warning for weeks. The first I knew of it was when the call centre wouldnt answer the phone for 45mins from the shop where I had just tried to use the card. Had to abandon the process and go home. Next morning, call the bank call centre, do security get told they cant talk to me. The processes to get the account activated was interesting, I couldnt complain to the…
Had the same thing with HSBC. I opened another bank account and keep a spare one going all the time. Also always keep £500 rolled up in £20 notes somewhere. And make sure you don’t put all your eggs in one basket.
Different devices for different banking, ie an iphone & mobile data for HSBC, a laptop and ADSL for Lloyds, the library, PC World & other shops with computers on display with net access for other bank accounts, besides the obligatory friend network, doing the above. Being in a city helps you blend into the background, being in the countryside will be like a virtual lock down.
Make sure you have a passport, because myself and someone else spent the best part of an hour or two trying to past Google's I'm not a robot when trying to get a passport. The fact Govt uses Googles I'm not a Robot should also show you there is more to Google than meets the eye.
I can see why the rich have dual citizenship and multiple passports, with the richest having diplomatic passports, making them untouchable anywhere in the world!
It might seem like a lot of effort, but when you realise who easy it is to set people up, buy off judges, police, medical experts, etc, you'll realise blackmail can come from everyone and anyone including your family, because there are some messed up beliefs out there.
Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously
#829Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had my only personal UK bank account frozen without warning for weeks. The first I knew of it was when the call centre wouldnt answer the phone for 45mins from the shop where I had just tried to use the card. Had to abandon the process and go home. Next morning, call the bank call centre, do security get told they cant talk to me. The processes to get the account activated was interesting, I couldnt complain to the…
Why was your account frozen?
Unusually I was asked I was transferring some money, never been asked before why I was moving my money, but earlier like 5-10mins earlier I had read on the DailyMail about some US/UK military abuses going on which annoyed me, so when I was asked why I was moving it, I replied "maybe I'm going to join ISIS". That was all I said, nothing else said, but lets face it, you cant even tell if you are talking to the staff in the call centre or if the phone company/security services are doing a man in the middle attack, international phone standards and internal phone standards make so much possible.
People get setup without even knowing it but the setup might not occur until years or decades later.
Re: In our cashless society, we need to take digital jail seriously
#830Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is literally not what happened in Canada. The Emergencies Act does not allow the government to violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It must also be agreed to by the provinces. It's use has a fixed duration and scope of action. It was designed to prevent executive over-reach while still allowing the government, at the federal level, to respond to unprecedented situations that require it. Everyone who was a…
I feel like we're overrun by troll and bot farms. Compelling content directly out of the tinfoil hat "freedom convoy" bible. Canadians are happy to have their cities back. Most of them (90%+), and most truckers (90%+), realize we're all in this together and don't try to hold their fellow citizens hostage. You need to recognize the sources on these are the same who've been saying that requiring someone to not infect o…
Totally agree with your comment. I wonder what will they come up with now as the Emergencies Act order has been lifted: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-event-feb23-1.63618...