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Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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post #163

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> You are choosing, voluntarily, to consume the content that they are offering on their website. And they are choosing, voluntarily, to serve you videos unbundled from advertisements.

My assumption is that it's less of a monetary loss for them to serve the ads unbundled compared to putting the engineering resources behind bundling them. They, obviously, have the exact numbers readily available, and I assume the "money lost" lines will cross eventually. Regardless, there is a loss, and they'll respond to it when it becomes significant enough. edit: uBlock Origin has over 10,000,000 users, according…

> My assumption is that it's less of a monetary loss for them to serve the ads unbundled compared to putting the engineering resources behind bundling them.

Yes, just like it's less of a monetary loss for you to install an ad blocker than subscribe to YouTube Premium!

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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Asking this question in good faith and in the interest of a productive discussion: Can someone give me their reasoning for why to use this over just paying for YouTube premium? They're providing a service that you value and spend enough time on to warrant looking for a way to not have to view ads, and if everyone were to start using Vanced overnight, YouTube wouldn't be able to justify staying up indefinitely. It fee…

>if everyone were to start using Vanced overnight, YouTube wouldn't be able to justify staying up indefinitely.

Good. I find the idea of Google having an effective monopoly on video streaming disgraceful.

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

#243

Asking this question in good faith and in the interest of a productive discussion: Can someone give me their reasoning for why to use this over just paying for YouTube premium? They're providing a service that you value and spend enough time on to warrant looking for a way to not have to view ads, and if everyone were to start using Vanced overnight, YouTube wouldn't be able to justify staying up indefinitely. It fee…

I'll consider giving money of my own free will to Google when they stop farming my data and dodging taxes. I sponsor a number a creators through Patreon.

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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post #117

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1. Vanced does it, and so does uBlock. 2. So I can have access to a worse player ? Which is already impressive given how bad Spotify is. 3. youtube-dl. 4. Giving 0.000005$ to a creator for me watching 20 minutes of video is still Google rent-seeking 5. Fair enough. But then I'm trading one browser extensions that might track me (but that doesn't) for the certainty that Google will absolutely track me to vomit out mor…

I'm a youtube-dl[p] user, but pretending that is equivalent to the few taps it take to sync in the background in the official app is silly.

For someone savvy enough it may as well be

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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Asking this question in good faith and in the interest of a productive discussion: Can someone give me their reasoning for why to use this over just paying for YouTube premium? They're providing a service that you value and spend enough time on to warrant looking for a way to not have to view ads, and if everyone were to start using Vanced overnight, YouTube wouldn't be able to justify staying up indefinitely. It fee…

Totally agree with this. If you're going to block yt ads, at least acknowledge that you're expecting content for free. Maybe you can find a way to ethically justify that for yourself (you buy merch from the company, etc), but own your choice. Don't flee into elaborate rationalizations that deny the facts of the matter. Linus from LTT recently raised this point.

Yes, users are expecting content for free because they're being given content for free. They're also being given a pile of garbage data in the form of ads, and there's nothing wrong with dumping that garbage, in the same way you are free to throw away the ad pages of a free newspaper, or toss the ad flyer that comes with your pizza.

Content creators are facilitating the business model of Google and most big business on the internet, which is that they give things away for free (yes free, I don't have to do anything or sign any contracts to watch a YouTube video) and they hope that advertisers will pay for the chance at their ad to be seen by people watching. Nowhere in there does the audience get a say, nor is the audience asked for their consent, nor is the audience forced into any kind of actual contract that the audience clearly understands.

Content creators, having lived in this world created by Ad-tech for so long, have grown entitled to the eyeballs, the attention, and the time of their audience. The train of thought goes like this:

"I'm entitled to be paid for my work. I get paid when my audience watches ads. Hence I am entitled to have my audience watch ads."

But that isn't true at all! They're entitled to be paid by the advertiser according to whatever terms that creator has with that advertiser. The creator though has no agreement and no terms with the audience so NO, the audience has no obligation to do anything for the content creator.

If content creators aren't comfy with this situation, they can try to actually build an agreement with their audience, where the costs and the payments are clearly laid out. That's hard to do so few do it, but that's the actual, ethical thing to do instead of complain that users aren't watching ads; if watching ads was actually ethically required then lowering the volume or looking away when an ad plays would be decried as piracy, and while I'm sure that'll happen once eye-tracking starts being built into the mobile app, it'll be as stupid to complain about then as it is now.

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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> if everyone were to start using Vanced overnight, YouTube wouldn't be able to justify staying up indefinitely. I personally find categorical imperative arguments to be ridiculous. almost anything could be bad if everyone did them all the time. the reality is that adblocking, torrenting, and similar workarounds are used by a small subset of technically savvy users. most people just don't care enough to configure any…

> I don't feel any obligation to allow Google to use my own device and internet connection to serve me ad content that I don't wish to see. That's disingenuous because you're omitting the other half of the transaction: You are choosing, voluntarily, to consume the content that they are offering on their website. The implied arrangement is that you watch the ads (at least the first five seconds until the skip button a…

There is a third party involved here. As an advertiser I do not want my ads shown for someone that don't want to see them, that is wasted money. Isn't that fraud, telling your fans to click/watch the ads because you make money for each click/watch? Adblockers save me money and lets me reach more people that matter.

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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post #35

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I dont use vanced but I am looking into it. Allegedly vanced has an iOS alternative. My reasoning is that Google is disgusting and has created a defacto monopoly. There is no way to outcompete a free product at scale so there basically can’t be an alternative. So I obviously use video and that means I use youtube. I dont want to support google, never want to see an ad and I honestly don’t care about the creator. If i…

> I honestly don’t care about the creator. At least you’re honest

Why would you?

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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Asking this question in good faith and in the interest of a productive discussion: Can someone give me their reasoning for why to use this over just paying for YouTube premium? They're providing a service that you value and spend enough time on to warrant looking for a way to not have to view ads, and if everyone were to start using Vanced overnight, YouTube wouldn't be able to justify staying up indefinitely. It fee…

- Because Youtube is run by a company that has money pouring out of every orifice; they don't need any more of yours. - Because Youtube is built on copyright infringment; giving it money is exactly like paying for an account on any piracy site to help keep it running. - Because even where there isn't infringment, Youtube has a broken compensation model you should consider not paying into. - If Youtube died, it would…

If Youtube were a Government - They would be running huge surpluses, while still raising taxes - They would be a police state - They lower the minimum wage at all costs - They repress their population

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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Asking this question in good faith and in the interest of a productive discussion: Can someone give me their reasoning for why to use this over just paying for YouTube premium? They're providing a service that you value and spend enough time on to warrant looking for a way to not have to view ads, and if everyone were to start using Vanced overnight, YouTube wouldn't be able to justify staying up indefinitely. It fee…

I used to have no adblockers on anything, and I was fine with it. Then I had kids, and I wasn't really comfortable with bringing them up in an environment where when you tell a computer to do one thing ("Play this video") it does a different thing ("I will do that, but not before I do what I want to do"). There are a few websites that have ad supported videos that I am ok with my kids watching, and putting uBlock Ori…

Yeah, Alexa in South Park: Post COVID is quite a dystopian demonstration of that.

Re: Vanced: YouTube adblocker for Android

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post #52

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Why would a "human" need to care? The algorithms which do things with your data you don't know are far worse.

>The algorithms which do things with your data you don't know are far worse. I'd love an example.

Credit scores, racial profiling and other data based discriminations
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