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U.S. Secret Service Launches Cryptocurrency Awareness Hub

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I’m blown away by how anti-crypto this discussion is. I hadn’t realized how negative the prevailing sentiment is on Hacker News. One argument seems to be that cryptocurrency is purely speculative, which is apparently a dirty word. What about the stock market? What about any kind of investment? If you truly believe that cryptocurrency is the basis for a superior economic system, isn’t it rational and wise to put some…

> One argument seems to be that cryptocurrency is purely speculative, which is apparently a dirty word. What about the stock market? What about any kind of investment? If you truly believe that cryptocurrency is the basis for a superior economic system, isn’t it rational and wise to put some of your savings there?

So the thing about investments is that they are a transaction that gives you a share of property in exchange for a share of the future income stream, albeit this mechanism is often imperfect and valuation may not so directly correspond to the current value of the underlying property or income stream. Even if many people are buying investments solely with the intention of selling them to somebody else for the higher price, the reason to gamble and expect the price to go higher is because of the valuation of the property. Even the miserly interest you get from parking cash in a bank account is tied to the income the bank makes from using the money you so parked.

But with Bitcoin, when you buy a bitcoin, you get a share of... well, nothing. And the way you make money with that share of nothing is to sell it to somebody else for a higher value. That's the only way to make money: you can't make money except by enticing new entrants, which is literally the definition of Ponzi scheme. And other investments aren't Ponzi schemes because there are other ways to make money from the investment, even if they aren't necessarily the most common way of making money.

This doesn't necessarily hold true for all cryptocurrencies; I'll concede that I'm not a connoisseur of the cryptocurrency community. But it feels to me like it's the standard tech-bro "X, but unregulated", except "X" here is finance, an industry which is famous for its unregulated elements not only resulting in lots of people losing all of their money but also bringing the economy down with it. So forgive me if I'm not exactly enthusiastic here.

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I’m blown away by how anti-crypto this discussion is. I hadn’t realized how negative the prevailing sentiment is on Hacker News. One argument seems to be that cryptocurrency is purely speculative, which is apparently a dirty word. What about the stock market? What about any kind of investment? If you truly believe that cryptocurrency is the basis for a superior economic system, isn’t it rational and wise to put some…

One of my concerns about cryptocurrency is the potential for the lack of regulation to allow for scammers, pyramid and pump&dump scemes, etc. I’ve heard of more than one undereducated immigrant family having life savings absolutely devastated due to this in a way that one would at least have case law and existing recourse if this happened in a traditional structure.

Additionally I doubt that cryptocurrency is disrupting wealth inequality. The major participants were all wealthy to begin and all of the increased interest seems to circle around the most wealthy… so it actually just contributes to wealth inequality. (In the documentary there is even apparently an mmo that people play to earn cryptocurrency tokens that goes into the wallet of an employer who then pays them a wage, with performance reviews and firings. Idk this looks to me only of recreating the same wage slavery and wealth grift that the original money system has.)

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post #52

I’m blown away by how anti-crypto this discussion is. I hadn’t realized how negative the prevailing sentiment is on Hacker News. One argument seems to be that cryptocurrency is purely speculative, which is apparently a dirty word. What about the stock market? What about any kind of investment? If you truly believe that cryptocurrency is the basis for a superior economic system, isn’t it rational and wise to put some…

Anti-crypto HN is real! I still have not found the HN-like community that gets cryptocurrencies. Maybe it's just being created today. People say Twitter but it's still pretty meme oriented. /r/ethfinance is ok but not enough content. Zero Knowledge podcast is solid but podcasts are one way communication. And the forums for cryotocurrency developers are beyond my level of tech knowledge. I wonder if at some point anth…

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post #52

I’m blown away by how anti-crypto this discussion is. I hadn’t realized how negative the prevailing sentiment is on Hacker News. One argument seems to be that cryptocurrency is purely speculative, which is apparently a dirty word. What about the stock market? What about any kind of investment? If you truly believe that cryptocurrency is the basis for a superior economic system, isn’t it rational and wise to put some…

Here's another couple arguments for you:

1. Crypto's primary use today seems to be money laundering and other unsavory "darknet-ish" things. It seems like it would be an unnecessary risk to associate your financial persona with such illicit activities.

2. When markets tanked due to Coivd, crypto went right down with it.

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#205
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I think that’s the argument, why move to a whole new currency if it’s more of the same problems with fewer safeguards for the non technical and no way to get lost items back?

Why would the poor have wanted to switch to the Internet? After all, it required expensive custom hardware, and know-how. What changed? Have you considered it's just really early days ?

> Have you considered it's just really early days?

How many years do early days last?

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> safeguarding the integrity of the nation’s economy Without question crypto, now +2 trillion in market cap, is a systemic risk to the US economy, notwithstanding serious policy mistakes the Congress, Treasury & the Fed have made since QE1. I'm hoping USSS and other entities cleans house. USDT fully diluted market cap is about equal to that of PNC Bank, America's 7th largest bank. If PNC Bank's reserves and market ac…

> market cap

People keep using this word and don't know what it means. Why it's used for crypto still boggles my mind.

> USDT fully diluted market cap is about equal to that of PNC Bank, America's 7th largest bank. If PNC Bank's reserves and market action (eg. questionable "minting") were anything like USDT's we would've seen investigation and likely indictments & convictions.

You're comparing apples and bananas. They might be related but they're not the same.

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It’s becoming widespread with all of the apps, super bowl ads, and reduced friction in getting into crypto “investing”. It used to be people who purchased crypto had to know what they were doing (and know the risk). Now anyone can buy crypto without any understanding of anything after seeing a 30 second commercial about smart investing.

Again: being widespread is not the same as being a systemic risk. That just means it's a casino everyone wastes money in. Who is defaulting on critically important obligations because of a crypto crash? What creditworthy business isn't getting a loan to cover cash flows for the quarter because BTC fell to 10k?

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This announcement and video both link to the front page on cryptocurrency awareness, which is https://www.secretservice.gov/investigation/DigitalAssets .

Halfway down the page in the "Useful Definitions" section, I thought the layout was using a CSS grid. When I opened up the DOM inspector, I was horrified to find nested elements that got increasingly deeper with each grid row.

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#209
post #61

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> the purpose of Blockchain is to avoid regulation Citation needed. I use Blockchain as resilient storage for the accounting of a scarce digital asset.

How about https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf ? Right in the introduction: "What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust, allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted third party." "Trusted third party" includes regulators, among a wider array of other institutions.

Well, I haven't thought about it that way. I was thinking banks and their >€30 fees for international wires.

I guess some people use it for the resistance to regulation (un-freeze-able accounts), others for speculation (like me).

Then again, with what is going on in Canada, I am starting to see the risk that the "trusted third party" betrays that trust.

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I’m blown away by how anti-crypto this discussion is. I hadn’t realized how negative the prevailing sentiment is on Hacker News. One argument seems to be that cryptocurrency is purely speculative, which is apparently a dirty word. What about the stock market? What about any kind of investment? If you truly believe that cryptocurrency is the basis for a superior economic system, isn’t it rational and wise to put some…

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