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Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by csee »

dustinmoris wrote: post #96

Am I the only one who thinks that the reality of this crisis is a lot more nuanced than what Western media shows us? Same as with Taiwan. It's an island off China and rebels flew there at some point and started to govern Taiwan as if it was theirs. China always insisted that Taiwan is part of China but because they never used military force to put an end to the game which those rebels played on that island it became…

Who cares about what happened 100 years ago if 80-90% of Taiwan do not want to be governed by the CCP in the year 2022. That's all that matters. You speak as if these aren't people that deserve sovereignty over themselves.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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synotna wrote: post #256
Helmut10001 wrote: post #110

Germany has run on 60% Wind power alone in January and February so far, even exported energy to France (because their nuclear power is in bad shape) and Poland (coal power plants are just too expensive). Just another motivation to get rid of the old power sources as soon as possible. North Stream 2 never made sense.

Germany needs gas thanks to years of anti-nuclear, which is why we have 4x+ the carbon output for electricity of "nuclear is in bad shape" France The only way Germany is getting rid of coal & gas is if France builds enough nuclear to power and heat Germany

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Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by AndyMcConachie »

ttyyzz wrote: post #286
meinersbur wrote: post #187

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> If Germany was truly meaning business, they'd stop Nord Stream 1 If Germany is meaning business, they'd stop buying any gas from Russia. Why would the means how it gets to Germany even matter?

How am I going to heat my house?

Don't know why you got downvoted. All these Americans in this thread can have all the opinions they want. They're not getting screwed by high gas prices right now.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by mechanical_bear »

vadertemp wrote: post #270
rosndo wrote: post #247

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Ha ha, funny joke. Where are the 100k+ US troops on Ukrainian borders?

US has not deployed to Ukraine because its not in its national interest whereas Russia does have an immediate security concern with NATO expansion to its borders after the end of the cold war. US has deployments all over the world after WWII in order to bully and protect its own interests. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/10/infographic-us-mili...

Is there a legitimate concern that NATO would occupy/attack Russian territory?

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by hajile »

pjc50 wrote: post #208
hajile wrote: post #109

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Nordstream 2 has sanctions against it in the US and has for several years now. Work on the pipeline stopped an hour or two before they were signed into law (by the allegedly pro-Russia Trump). Like Biden always does, he just ignored the bi-partisan sanctions passed by congress because it'll be too late by the time the courts get done (Biden subverting the system to help Russia get what they want) This is important be…

[citation needed] If something were actually bipartisan, surely it would be over the filibuster threshold?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-democrats-slam-cruz-nord...

It was 55 to 44. As some Republicans like Rand Paul always vote against sanctions, there were at least 6-7 democrats in favor.

In any case, it was merely stating AGAIN what had ALREADY been legislated before (and Biden simply refuse to execute what the Constitution demands)

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Post by mechanical_bear »

_ph_ wrote: post #87
yostrovs wrote: post #42

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Germany doesn't care about Ukraine. They have to look like they do. Once the Ukrainian issue settles down again like it did after 2014 and everyone in the west moves on to other things, Germany will simply push the start button and gas will flow.

No, certainly not. First of all, Germany does care about the Ukraine. Both on a political level as on a social one. Many Germany have friendships with people from Ukraine. I myself have several in my wider social circle. There is also the European perspective. The cornerstone of European piece policy has been the integrity of state borders. This is now violated, so this is of very grave concern. Putin himself stated…

“the Ukraine”

It is just Ukraine, no “the” required nor preferred.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by hajile »

another_why wrote: post #179
hajile wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nordstream 2 has sanctions against it in the US and has for several years now. Work on the pipeline stopped an hour or two before they were signed into law (by the allegedly pro-Russia Trump). Like Biden always does, he just ignored the bi-partisan sanctions passed by congress because it'll be too late by the time the courts get done (Biden subverting the system to help Russia get what they want) This is important be…

They show in the news only what they want you to hear. Everything was agreed upon and scheduled long before February, including US,EU,Russia and even Ukraine. Macron was flying all over the world for a reason

If the sanctions were never repealed by the US Congress, the US president has no right to overrule their policy.

This has been in the US Constitution from the beginning of the country and is hardly controversial.

Interestingly, failing to uphold the Constitution and execute the laws passed by congress is serious grounds for impeachment (though it simply will not happen until at least 2023).

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Post by mechanical_bear »

ttyyzz wrote: post #286
meinersbur wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Germany was truly meaning business, they'd stop Nord Stream 1 If Germany is meaning business, they'd stop buying any gas from Russia. Why would the means how it gets to Germany even matter?

How am I going to heat my house?

How is my grandmother going to have a house after EU lets a Russian tank drive over it?

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by _ph_ »

sunsetonsaturn wrote: post #207
_ph_ wrote: post #87

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No, certainly not. First of all, Germany does care about the Ukraine. Both on a political level as on a social one. Many Germany have friendships with people from Ukraine. I myself have several in my wider social circle. There is also the European perspective. The cornerstone of European piece policy has been the integrity of state borders. This is now violated, so this is of very grave concern. Putin himself stated…

> Many Germany have friendships with people from Ukraine. I myself have several in my wider social circle. Not sure that's a good argument. Many in Germany also have friendships with people from Russia. Would that automatically mean that Germany has to support Russia? I doubt it.

If Russia were threatened by an aggressive neighbor nation they would have no chance to defend against, I think there would be quite some support from Germany too. But currently Russia is the nation invading Ukraine. (And of course, most Germans distinguish well between the Russian people and their government)

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

yorwba wrote: post #233
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #146

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Uh, it’s a 30 year contract and China is also investing in Russian lng related companies: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/a-property-sells-10-... . From another source: https://lngprime.com/asia/chinas-zhejiang-energy-to-buy-stak... > Furthermore, A-Property said that the project involves building a 1358 kilometers long pipeline that would connect Yatek’s fields in Yakutia to the 18 mtpa LNG plant near Ayan o…

Yakutia is relatively close to China, but most Russian gas exported to Europe comes from Western Siberia, which is farther away from China.

It doesn't matter. From https://lngprime.com/asia/chinas-zhejiang-energy-to-buy-stak...

> The firm said it expects Yatek’s gas reserves to rise to 567 billion cubic meters in the third quarter of 2022.

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