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Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by aequitas »

mcv wrote: post #74
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully it'll be temporary; the Dutch government set reducing dependency on gas in motion years ago (electrification of houses, increase of green energy projects), and there are other suppliers who turned their ships around to supply to western Europe instead. I mean transport by ship will be more expensive than a direct gas pipeline, but hopefully it will be enough to avoid scarcity / loss of gas pressure. Anyway,…

My house doesn't have a gas connection anymore. Let the sanctions come.

A lot of our electricity is still produced using natural gas [0], so you would still be highly dependent on gas for your electricity prices.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_the_...

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by codewithcheese »

csee wrote: post #90
erispoe wrote: post #88

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China has a very short window of time before their demography crashes.

South Korea's demography is crashed but their economic growth is still strong. There is more to growth than that. There's no reason why China can't double its GDP in the next few decades and then assert itself much more strongly after it has achieved that.

Why has South Korea continued to grow, despite the demography crash? And how do you think it compares to Japan? Genuine questions.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by littlestymaar »

piokoch wrote: post #93
Loic wrote: post #53

My personal opinion: All this Ukraine stuff is also supported by China. I bet they are ready to buy Russian oil and gas to compensate even if this costs them more than getting them from the open market. Why? Because this is a wonderful test drive to check how the West (sorry for the approximation) is reacting to a country theoretically supported by the West being invaded by another one. For me, the next one on the li…

China is not stupid to become depended on Russian gas or oil supply. The deal they signed with Russia is for 38 billion cubic meters of gas sent through "Power of Siberia" gas pipe (for comparison, in 2006 Poland purchase from Russia 206 billion cubic meters) and this throughput will be reached in 2025. Russia has no practical way to transfer gas designated for Europe to China, there is no pipe they can use as gas co…

> Taiwan, Philippines, Japan...

Come on, China is bad enough as it is, no need to overdo it with imaginary threats.

(Edit: wow impressed by how fast these downvotes came. I wonder if it was triggered by the “China is bad” part or my point that a Chinese invasion of Japan or Philippines is a complete fantasy. In case it's the second part, you should probably take a break from American news…)

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Post by fendy3002 »

oefrha wrote: post #100
FartyMcFarter wrote: post #98

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> All this Ukraine stuff is also supported by China. It is probably not a coincidence that the big move yesterday happened just after the Beijing Winter Olympics ended.

Olympic Truce, duh.

And today we're all brothers, Tonight we're all friends

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by another_why »

mcv wrote: post #77
another_why wrote: post #44

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How noble. What about poor European countries, will you pay for their gas too? Or they will pay for your opportunity of being "noble"?

That's what he's saying: help other countries instead of raking in more money.

Which countries? Higher prices for gas will rise prices for everything, food including.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by pydry »

dustinmoris wrote: post #96

Am I the only one who thinks that the reality of this crisis is a lot more nuanced than what Western media shows us? Same as with Taiwan. It's an island off China and rebels flew there at some point and started to govern Taiwan as if it was theirs. China always insisted that Taiwan is part of China but because they never used military force to put an end to the game which those rebels played on that island it became…

I find comparing RT, BBC and al jazeera gets a fairly complete picture on this crisis. All three will emphasize things others dont.

It doesnt elucidate everything though. E.g. it's not clear from this who really killed the minsk protocols though.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by alkonaut »

tiku wrote: post #12

Thanks Germans. Paying our gas bill will be fun here in the Netherlands.

Buy a standard heat pump. Preferably do it in the 90s when it was common sense to get rid of domestic gas. In 2022 you should be on your second or third pump since your oil or gas burner was replaced.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

Loic wrote: post #53

My personal opinion: All this Ukraine stuff is also supported by China. I bet they are ready to buy Russian oil and gas to compensate even if this costs them more than getting them from the open market. Why? Because this is a wonderful test drive to check how the West (sorry for the approximation) is reacting to a country theoretically supported by the West being invaded by another one. For me, the next one on the li…

If by supported you mean that China as an ally of Russia won't object to what is currently happening and probably view the situation as profitable then yes certainly. If you mean somewhat masterminded the whole thing as a test then I highly doubt that's what's happening. Russia has its own agenda and ambitions.

Re: Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline

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Post by nix23 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #30
_ph_ wrote: post #28

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It wasn't the German navy, it was the ranking admiral which had been removed from office immediately, as there was a strong disagreement with his statements.

> It wasn't the German navy, it was the ranking admiral It he doesn't speak for the Germany navy then who does? Were the navy's intelligence reports wrong or was he briefed wrong or does he not believe his own intelligence people? What if he'd been still been in charge now? Would he still deny it was happening? All possibilities point to something extremely foolish going on. Absolutely bizarre situation. I wonder wha…

That's not really what he said, the press twisted it a bit:

>>“Is Russia really interested in having a tiny strip of Ukrainian soil, to integrate into their country?” the 56-year-old said. “No. Putin is putting on pressure because he knows he can do it, he splits the European Union.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/23/german-navy-ch...

His point was: It's not about the "soil" but to split the eu....see the difference?

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