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Post by arcticbull »

guilhas wrote: post #211
arcticbull wrote: post #152

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Not to a protest, to an unlawful occupation of the capital. I'm 100% behind that. I'm sorry. And so are over 2/3 of Canadians. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. [edit] I would be just as glib about someone who donated $50 to Hezbollah and got their accounts shut down. [edit2] Trudeau has a minority government, and minority governments both require another party to prop them up - and have an average tenure of 1 ye…

People donate to a protest when they believe what they stand for, like being against mandatory vaccination, not when they made sure that every protester is following the law Besides how can a peaceful protest be unlawful? I hear that in China when protests are "unlawful" when they disagree with the great leader

There was a court case that settled this if you're curious to learn more. [1] Not only did they rule it unlawful, they gave the truckers a few hours after the ruling came down to vacate the area before it went into effect. They have been given every opportunity. They decided that rather than following the lawful orders of the court, they would simply continue their occupation.

This isn't a protest, it's an unlawful occupation. Canada has a long history of peaceful protest. If they'd picketed on the streets in front of Parliament Hill as hundreds of thousands have done over the last century nobody would have batted an eyelash. In fact the government gave them three full weeks of outright occupation before they began to ask them to leave - then eventually told them to in no uncertain terms.

After all there have been tens of other anti-vaxx protests in Canada over the last two years. None were treated this way.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461

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Post by defaultname »

guilhas wrote: post #149
arcticbull wrote: post #119

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No he didn't either way, because that's not what the Emergencies Act is or does. [1, 2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iPsgfuum2c

So what do you call closing people bank accounts because they donated 50$ to a protest? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10535361/Canadian-M...

It's called a lie by a conservative MP who is pandering to a very gullible base. I am deeply concerned for the rational judgment of anyone who actually believed that bit of nonsense.

Every level of government has asked the MP to give details, because clearly it isn't true. He hasn't because the person does not exist.

Ultimately he should resign. Either he was trolled and played, or he simply has so little respect for the public that he invented a tale to play on (largely foreign) beliefs.

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Post by arcticbull »

ComradePhil wrote: post #208
arcticbull wrote: post #199

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How familiar are you with Canada, Comrade Phil? We enjoy a vibrant, multi-party parliamentary democracy with all sorts of different opinions represented. We have five major parties, not two. An even an up-and-coming nutbag 6th.

That's like saying Firefox is a competitor to Chrome... while Google pays Mozzila millions to keep it alive. Just so you know, North Korea has 4 political parties, China has 8, Russia has dozens. In faux democracies, small parties are paid for by the very same people who keep the big ones alive. Controlled opposition is very handy. People in power don't want to lose it just because half of the peasants don't like a f…

It sounds like you know an awful lot about NK and the PRC and very little about Canada. I do wish you well, but your argument, to my point, is a highly fringe view.

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Post by arcticbull »

ComradePhil wrote: post #212
arcticbull wrote: post #194

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You know in most countries like Canada, where healthcare is actually a public cost centre, the financial incentive is the opposite of what you state. The public health systems would be incentivized to discover that this is in fact a "sham" and stop administering the vaccines to better allocate their budgets. All this has been incredibly expensive. However, they have found the opposite of your claims - all over the wo…

> You know in most countries like Canada, where healthcare is actually a public cost centre, Good point... except that the policy makers aren't paying out of their pocket. It's public money either way. They'll take whatever option helps them in the short run because if they don't, someone else is willing to take that money and bring them down in the next faux election. You might want to look up what people who are ac…

You didn't refute the actual concrete evidence I provided in any way, though. I can tell it doesn't fit with your preconceived narratives.

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Post by defaultname »

crtasm wrote: post #172
guilhas wrote: post #149

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So what do you call closing people bank accounts because they donated 50$ to a protest? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10535361/Canadian-M...

After reading that piece I'd call it an unconfirmed claim. Has anyone else affected come forward?

Not only is it unconfirmed, it has been explicitly denied by banks, the government and the RCMP. Sanctions have only been levied on organizers and direct participants in the illegal occupation.

The MP either lied, or got played by someone who knew he was a gullible tool.

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Post by defaultname »

guilhas wrote: post #210
HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #81

> the Canadian prime minister imposed martial law on the protestors No, he didn’t.

Call it what you want, it is abuse of power by the government to deal with a peaceful protest that has a vast support if not the majority of the people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_GnClytz34

Support of the majority? 93% of Canadians wanted to see the protests cleared. 2/3rds wanted participants jailed.

A majority of Canadians agree with a lifting of mandates, but this was true before this protest, and if anything the protest set it back. Support for the protest was extremely low.

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Post by defaultname »

john_moscow wrote: post #87
defaultname wrote: post #4

"In just three weeks of honking, blocked streets and bridges, bouncy castles and flag waving, this peaceful protest" Aside from a billion dollars+ in trade blocked when the protest -- having achieved nothing terrorizing the residents of Ottawa and blasting horns/setting off fireworks around the clock -- branched out to trying to block international borders, they harassed schools, healthcare workers, anyone wearing a…

>Aside from a billion dollars+ in trade blocked when the protest -- having achieved nothing terrorizing the residents of Ottawa and blasting horns/setting off fireworks around the clock I don't think, it is entirely fair to blame it all on one side. What the government could have done is meet with the protestors and solve the problem diplomatically. Agree on a reasonable compromise, like suspending some restrictions…

YouTube videos are not citations. No one is going to watch them or try to read the tea leaves of some third party's interpretation. The literal demand of the organizers of the group (a separatist and a white supremacist) were that the government resign en masse. The trucks are emblazoned with "Fuck Trudeau" flags and signs. The rhetoric coming from the various participants has been aggressive and apocalyptic.

No, Trudeau should never have met with them. I'm no Trudeau fan, but there was zero value in ever meeting with this group. They should have been swept up the moment they broke the first law.

"like suspending some restrictions conditional to hospital utilization"

Like almost everyone who has takes on this here (including DHH), you seem to know perilously little about the actual situation, yet you've got a lot of takes. The vast majority of mandates are provincial, for instance, not federal, just as health systems are managed at the provincial level. Ontario (the province that Ottawa is in), actually has a conservative leader, but the so-called "truckers" didn't target him at all, and their minimal foray into Toronto was immediately squashed by a much more capable police force. Nor did they do much about any other premier. Because it had little to do with mandates. These people simply don't accept democracy. They don't like Trudeau, therefore he's got to go. I mean, they literally said it over and over again. That's cool, but we just had an election so they can take their mini insurrection and go home again.

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Post by defaultname »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #185
arcticbull wrote: post #99

This is full of factual errors, and garbage on the face of it. Canada is a rule-of-law, democratic society. The so-called protestors blocked off major ports of entry leading to material harm to businesses. They also violated the rights of individuals living within the downtown core (including my family) for weeks on end. They brought weapons with them, they built shanties and filled them with kerosene and propane. Th…

> Canada is a rule-of-law, democratic society. Flat out wrong. Canada is freezing accounts of people who weren't violating any law, with ex post facto laws.

Canada is freezing the accounts of people who organized or directly participated in this illegal occupation. Any news you've read to the contrary has been, as some groups like to scream, "fake news". Literal fake news.

It would be such political hay if a single such case came forward. A minority government hangs in the balance, and can be ousted (insofar as a new election is called) immediately. Do you know why no verifiable case has come forward? Because the cases you heard of were lies.

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Post by colpabar »

bb88 wrote: post #156
colpabar wrote: post #82

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> Next time it won't Sadly, it most likely will. The left I used to know wouldn't be caught dead cheering on the coordination between federal government and private businesses/banks to deny people the ability to organize and protest. But here we are, and there we'll be when the government decides to label whatever the next movement is as a "threat to democracy."

Let's lean into this. > to organize and protest. All the sit-ins in the past 60 years of protesting, ended up in people being arrested. And fines (as well as imprisonment) were levied against the arrested protesters for disruption of government operations and services. Further these days, often protesters go in expecting to be arrested. Activists will often seek people who aren't afraid of being arrested. If you caus…

> Hoover's FBI more or less got away with infiltration and assassination because the enemy was "stinking hippies" or "terrorists".

But don't you see any kind of resemblance to that and what's happening currently with the all the "nazis" and "white supremacists"? It's odd to me that you can mention COINTELPRO and think that things like that don't still happen.

I guess you can rightly say that I have no proof of that. But in 50 years, if we ever get documents released explaining how COINTELPRO was expanded and used against lots of the movements of our time, you owe me a beer.

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Post by defaultname »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #207

Discussing the politics of a country that the vast majority of HN readers do not understand in-deth in response to a rant by someone else who also only has cursory understanding is adding useless noise to HN. Canada has never been about ‘life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness’, bar a small minority. In many areas it is closer to the EU than the U.S. In fact these rants are self-defeating as they convince ever mo…

It is sobering whenever this topic appears on HN (though thankfully this time it seemed to be flagged directly off the first three pages immediately, and perhaps DHH's low quality pablum has been properly binned) because it really resets my perception of the quality of comments here. Like reading a newspaper or magazine article on a field you happen to know in detail, making you realize that what you thought were considered, informed opinions are actually just people giving uninformed, careless takes. Strongly held, highly emotional opinions that are built on a tower of, in essence, shit.

It's someone telling you, with great passion and confidence, that the Linux kernel needs to be rewritten in Visual Basic because the current PHP code isn't maintainable. Throughout these comments, and in hot takes like DHH's, there are just profoundly ignorant errors that betray that the speaker doesn't have the slightest clue what they're talking about. It instantly reveals their rhetoric to be noisy garbage.

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