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Post by guilhas »

arcticbull wrote: post #152
guilhas wrote: post #149

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So what do you call closing people bank accounts because they donated 50$ to a protest? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10535361/Canadian-M...

Not to a protest, to an unlawful occupation of the capital. I'm 100% behind that. I'm sorry. And so are over 2/3 of Canadians. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. [edit] I would be just as glib about someone who donated $50 to Hezbollah and got their accounts shut down. [edit2] Trudeau has a minority government, and minority governments both require another party to prop them up - and have an average tenure of 1 ye…

People donate to a protest when they believe what they stand for, like being against mandatory vaccination, not when they made sure that every protester is following the law

Besides how can a peaceful protest be unlawful? I hear that in China when protests are "unlawful" when they disagree with the great leader

Re: I was wrong, we need crypto

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Post by ComradePhil »

arcticbull wrote: post #194
ComradePhil wrote: post #188

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>I can tell you that you are unequivocally wrong if you think that NK is anything like CA. It's a fun narrative of the uninformed. If you think that they are even a tiny bit different, you are brainwashed into thinking that. There is no other explanation. >Yes this is a fringe position that the science does not support. "Science" supports whatever most scientists are paid to support. Lots of scientists supported the…

You know in most countries like Canada, where healthcare is actually a public cost centre, the financial incentive is the opposite of what you state. The public health systems would be incentivized to discover that this is in fact a "sham" and stop administering the vaccines to better allocate their budgets. All this has been incredibly expensive. However, they have found the opposite of your claims - all over the wo…

> You know in most countries like Canada, where healthcare is actually a public cost centre,

Good point... except that the policy makers aren't paying out of their pocket. It's public money either way. They'll take whatever option helps them in the short run because if they don't, someone else is willing to take that money and bring them down in the next faux election.

You might want to look up what people who are actually putting money in it think. Hint: "pfizer stock price".

Re: I was wrong, we need crypto

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Post by pseudo0 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #187
disambiguation wrote: post #182

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Source on 300M in damages? Is this real damage or "opportunity cost"?

Thousands of people were out of work for most of a month. For example, the Rideau Centre, which employs 1500, was shut down. Thousands of people had to move out of their homes because they couldn't sleep with the continuous honking. One idiot even brought a train horn. And that was just Ottawa. The ambassador bridge shutdown was much worse. For instance, Ford shut down an Ohio plant employing 1600 due to lack of part…

Were businesses pressured to close by the city and the police because people were allegedly flouting mask mandates, or to deny the protestors food, water, heat, and washrooms in -20 Celsius weather? The business closures advised by the city and police certainly furthered their war of attrition against the protestors, despite the lack of evidence of any real threat. On the contrary, a number of small businesses remained open during the protests and experienced relatively few disruptions.

The border protests were certainly more economically disruptive, and it's remarkable that it took days to clear out a handful of vehicles.

Re: I was wrong, we need crypto

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Post by erulabs »

medvezhenok wrote: post #100
dylkil wrote: post #53

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>And to convert crypto back into Canadian dollars the ultimate goal is to never convert back

They can also criminalize accepting Bitcoin for payment for goods, in which case you would have no choice but to convert back to dollars (and taxes will likely always be paid in dollars anyway)

And then there would be a black market, immediately. Prohibition tends to be exceptionally violent. The point being: using a decentralized currency makes authoritarianism harder. This is not exactly a radical idea: foreign currencies have very often been banned from use in dictatorships. Why people kick back on "internet money" being a tool to use against abusive governments is strange: It's more or less it's only real feature, and the feature that makes it's enormous computational cost worthwhile.

I'm aware this is a wildly radical set of statements, and I'm not a bitcoin-carrying-anarchist, but you can't really deny that this is the real application of "internet money", and thus the original point of the article stands.

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Post by slowmovintarget »

pyuser583 wrote: post #98
Comevius wrote: post #67

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This was one year after similar group attacked the American Capitolium. Holding critical infrastructure hostage, threatening the government and harassing people is not peaceful. Invoking the Emergencies Act after 3 weeks was warranted after the police failed doing it's job. The government did not have a clear picture or control over the situation. A foreign organization could have used it to supply these people, whic…

> Invoking the Emergencies Act after 3 weeks was warranted after the police failed doing it's job. This is what I don’t get. The Canadian police had the power to stop the protestors who crossed the line from protest to riot. But they didn’t. I don’t understand why. Why did they allow the ambassador bridge to be shut down so long? They had the power to stop it. They just chose not to.

Had the police simply cleared up the problem using existing laws a good crisis would have gone to waste.

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Post by feoren »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #128
feoren wrote: post #97

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> BLM protestors flying "antifa" flags ... are just as bad as Nazis Let's be clear about what you're saying: people who are vehemently opposed to Nazis are just as bad as Nazis. This is the definition of "fake centrism" or (sarcastically) "enlightened centrism". You're really saying that a new flag created to express opposition to Nazis, fascism, authoritarianism, and genocide is as bad as a flag that has been used f…

People vehemently opposed to Nazis can be exactly as bad as Nazis. It's not the flag; it's not even really the ideology; it's the actions . If your actions are as bad as the actions of Nazis, then you are as bad as Nazis. You and CodeGlitch can argue whether that applies in this situation. But the idea itself is perfectly reasonable.

I'm not claiming nobody is as bad as the Nazis. I am claiming that the core belief of "Antifa", represented by both its name and its flag, is "anti-fascism", which is nearly synonymous with being "anti-Nazi". I am also claiming that people who wave the Nazi flag in modern times are explicitly calling for the genocide of other human beings. Finally, I am claiming that being against genocide and being for genocide are not somehow automatically equal, like two poles of some spectrum; rather, that such a belief is a well-known false equivalency known as "enlightened centrism" that is commonly used by people who actually just outright sympathize with Nazis and just don't want to admit it. None of these claims should be controversial in any way whatsoever. So I don't really understand what you're trying to rebut here.

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Post by nec4b »

feoren wrote: post #97
CodeGlitch wrote: post #49

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> and the majority don't want these Nazi flag waving idiots distrupting their lives. Slightly off topic but the inconsistent treatment/reporting of these protestors and BLM is what gets me. BLM protestors flying "antifa" flags (let's be honest Marxists) are just as bad as Nazis in my book - seriously misled people with unworkable ideas about how the world should be run. Anyway if you're coming down hard on protestors…

> BLM protestors flying "antifa" flags ... are just as bad as Nazis Let's be clear about what you're saying: people who are vehemently opposed to Nazis are just as bad as Nazis. This is the definition of "fake centrism" or (sarcastically) "enlightened centrism". You're really saying that a new flag created to express opposition to Nazis, fascism, authoritarianism, and genocide is as bad as a flag that has been used f…

I'm sure you also believe Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic country. They must be, if that is what they call them self.

You need to look yourself in the mirror or better yet, read a history book or two about fascism and national socialism and take a good look at antifa again.

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Post by defaultname »

landemva wrote: post #95
defaultname wrote: post #4

"In just three weeks of honking, blocked streets and bridges, bouncy castles and flag waving, this peaceful protest" Aside from a billion dollars+ in trade blocked when the protest -- having achieved nothing terrorizing the residents of Ottawa and blasting horns/setting off fireworks around the clock -- branched out to trying to block international borders, they harassed schools, healthcare workers, anyone wearing a…

Tyrants understand local police may be hesitant to act against their neighbors under questionable orders. This is why tyrants bring in non-local police who don't have local connections. Outside police will crack skulls and not care because they and their families live elsewhere. '... Emergency Act allowed other regions to add to the police force without the whole normal process.' Yes, outside enforcers were needed be…

"Yes, outside enforcers were needed because local police were not doing it."

Ottawa is a relatively small city. They were grossly overwhelmed after letting an occupation setup base. Further, you clearly know absolutely nothing about Canada, or Ontario, or the police involved, or the politics, so your various takes are nonsensical.

"Trudeau is one of Schwab's young leaders and has embarrassed Canada."

A current QAnon conspiracy on HN, stated with a straight face. How absolutely embarrassing.

So everyone else is aware (although this ridiculous stupid essay from DHH thankfully got flagged off the front page, so this post is largely only being seen by "the faithful"), the WEF conspiracy came about because some people with incredibly poor critical skills have derived an inverted relationship between a group and its members. Basically a tail wagging a dog assumption. The world's powerful all are members of Davos / WEF basically as a networking and "say nice things", so the especially gullible conspiratorial swap that relationship and now the WEF is actually the master puppeteer pulling the strings. It's a conspiracy literally beyond parody, and I'm still caught up in Poe's Law, unsure if the above comment is sincere, or some sarcastic example of insanity.

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Post by nec4b »

feoren wrote: post #216
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People vehemently opposed to Nazis can be exactly as bad as Nazis. It's not the flag; it's not even really the ideology; it's the actions . If your actions are as bad as the actions of Nazis, then you are as bad as Nazis. You and CodeGlitch can argue whether that applies in this situation. But the idea itself is perfectly reasonable.

I'm not claiming nobody is as bad as the Nazis. I am claiming that the core belief of "Antifa", represented by both its name and its flag, is "anti-fascism", which is nearly synonymous with being "anti-Nazi". I am also claiming that people who wave the Nazi flag in modern times are explicitly calling for the genocide of other human beings. Finally, I am claiming that being against genocide and being for genocide are…

The core belief of antifa is a revolution at any cost. Train for when the time comes. Their actions and tactics mimic those of fascist when coming to power in Italy after WW1.
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