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Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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> As we have seen, Google does not explain ( https://developers.google.com/tag-manager/serverside/custom-... ) the reason for creating a subdomain of the website for its "proxy" server: > > The default server-side tagging deployment is hosted on an App Engine domain. We recommend that you modify the deployment to use a subdomain of your website instead. The reason is simple: it creates a denial of service attack on D…

Looks like the only sane thing to do is to block routes to GAFAM AS directly on your router instead of relying on DNS tricks. I knew people doing that over ten years ago and i thought they were kind of crazy, but in retrospect they were right all along. What if your website is hosted by Google Cloud Engine or AWS, should we block it? I certainly would. Please find a decent host that does not use their customers as hu…

Gorhill managed to get uBlock to block CNAME masked domains, so surely this wouldn't be that out of reach for an adblocker?

Good luck getting this to work in google chrome though.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

> our ineffectual administration It always saddens me to see EU citizens talk in absolutes like that. With some exceptions, and by comparison, we have some of the best governments in the world, and, for all its faults, the EU has been a huge net positive. Perpetuating these overly negative stereotypes just aids populists in replacing our good governance with the other kind that we see all over the world.

The EU had some great time not long ago but it lost its way. Now apart from GPDR what was the last good news you heard from this EU? Was it about automatic censorship filter? About Frontex turning into a military organization designed to help people die at sea?

From some perspective, the EU is much better than my local corrupt/authoritarian government (France) and effectively serves to keep french abuses of power in check (though it always takes 5+ years of litigation to reach the European Court of Human Rights or the ECJ). But in even worse-off countries like Hungary the EU is essentially powerless against human rights abuses.

Also in France the EU had zero negative impact because the EU is more or less controlled by France (and a handful other countries) so the neoliberal anti-social policies are usually already in place before they became mandatory on a european level, but in some EU countries the EU is the reason your kids can't study, your cousin lives on the street, and your grandma can't afford healthcare. I'm thinking about Greece among others here, where EU has put enormous pressure on an entire country to pay for banking shenanigans and created enormous suffering for the entire population just to pay of a few french/german banks who can well do without (and without whom we could do well, as well).

So it's not exactly one-sided. And in fact, we could make the argument corruption and anti-democratic policies in the EU (anti-social regulations, proposals ignored by the parliament which has very little power compared to the commission) is part of what's led to the new rise of fascism across Europe. To keep Greece as an example, people massively voted for Tsipras a few years back, but under Troika pressure he took away all his campaign promises and sent the riot cops against the local population just like the previous government. So now they have a right-wing authoritarian government who's cracking down even harder on social services and launched a military assault on the only free commune of the capital (Exarchia) where life was a little less worse than elsewhere around the country.

Is it supposed to be that hard to keep only the good stuff and say fuck you to bankers and other suit-and-tie people?

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Part of the job of lawmakers is, intriguingly enough, deciding what’s good for voters. This would be among those things. Would voters vote for this specific law? Probably not. But they probably wouldn’t vote out the representatives who wrote it either. And arguably privacy needs to be protected for the good of society.

I'm not sure about this notion of the 'good of society'. If you believe that the 'good of society' is not what voters want, why bother with democracy at all? (Slightly besides the point: I actually do agree that people behave like idiots at the ballot booth and don't know what is good for them in this context. Luckily, people tend to be much more savvy when voting with their wallets or their feet. And as a society we…

> Luckily, people tend to be much more savvy when voting with their wallets or their feet. And as a society we would be well advised to encourage these latter two.

The problem with voting with your dollars is that people with more dollars get more votes. The problem with voting with your feet is that only some people can afford to move.

If you want "just let the rich decide", why dress it up in fancy words?

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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I have no concern with blocking Google App Engine holistically Unfortunately, it seems that more and more government web sites rely on Google services to function. And there's no replacement for those.

How can it be legal for a government to make increasingly core services depend on these amoral, for profit monsters?

The military-industrial complex would like to have a word.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Disclaimer: I am a data analyst. I consult companies in regards to ethical data collection. But I also know of black sheep. I don't have a problem with websites measuring what I view, click, add to cart or buy. I want them to be able to see what doesn't work in terms of user experience. And if they do marketing I even want them to be able to see from which source of traffic (aka marketing effort) how many conversions…

> But I understand the business need to measure the effectiveness of marketing money spent. Why? They are not able to track TV, newspaper, billboard or radio campaigns but still spend a lot of marketing money on these.

The are at least quite able to correlate these. Tracking TV advertising'impact is relatively easy and straight forward. Same for out of home advertising. And with a bit more effort attribution to newspaper/magazine advertising is also possible.

But. It often isn't necessary. More often than not these forms of advertising are not direct marketing. They don't necessarily have a call to action. They are a branding asset. And brand awareness is measured differently. With different means.

So while you can and should measure the direct impact, this isn't the main focus.

The same way response and conversion rates on direct marketing efforts were meticulously measured long before the internet. There were even AB tests being run on mailings (snail mail) on test flights to identify the campaigns with the best ROI.

I have a booklet from 1978, the year I was born, explaining AB testing for direct marketing campaigns.

Except for the speed, nothing changed. Nowadays we only have more intrusive tracking methods if we decide to go that route. But the underlying methods (statistics, measuring success, et al) habe not significantly changed.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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God damn... this is it, this is the end-game. There's no way to fight this unless you customize and maintain blocking scripts for each individual website. Yes, websites could always have done this, but the REST (CDN-bypassing) requests' cost and the manual maintenance for the telemetry endpoints and storage was an impediment that Google just gives them a drop-in solution for :( I think Google is happy to eat some of…

Couldn't a adblocker block the largest javascript blob loaded by the page? Most likely it's gtm. Also with a bit of machine learning it could recognise the patterns in the js blob, no?

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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I'm not a trucker, so you would have to ask them about the gas they complain about. But there are others more obvious issues mentioned by the unions by international trucking - they have to compete with companies utilizing slave labour and sometimes even cases of trafficking. Hence my point that benefits of the EU is highly individual. Many have surely won, such as large companies, and many have lost. >So what did th…

> I'm not a trucker, so you would have to ask them about the gas they complain about. You presented it as a (I presume good) example of your point. So I'm asking you because it definitly does not sound logical. > Enable all european truckers to work anywhere. That's not an answer to the question what the EU has to do with cheap gas prices in countries like Poland being a issue for a Swedish truck driver. A Polish tru…

I think the underlying problem is that Sweden taxes gas very high, very good reasons. Poland, being a regressive climate denying conservative place, relatively speaking, lets gas be at a natural price.

In the US trucking companies would just relocate to a state with cheaper gas, but maybe Swedish people dont want to move to Poland, and they also want fossil fuels taxed across the entire EU, so they feel aggrieved.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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> I wish people would stop attributing our attitude to nationalistic resurgences. Why should we stop? Where I live (NW Europe) this sentiment is almost exclusively echoed by members of the refreshed "neoconservative/nationalistic" right wing parties. Other parties also have their qualms about government institutions, of course, but for different reasons and expressed with different attitudes.

> Why should we stop? Where I live (NW Europe) this sentiment is almost exclusively echoed by members of the refreshed "neoconservative/nationalistic" right wing parties. This is the 2nd post ignoring the fact that I have declared I am, in fact, not a member of such a group. Assuming that I'm lying, you'd be correct in holding your stance. Considering I am not lying, you are basically closing in the door to communica…

You might not be formally member of such groups, but if you are spreading their values and repeating their propaganda, you're working for them.

That would make you de facto member even if you're not de iure member.

e: and based on Paradox of Tolerance, shutting down communication with anti-system efforts might be the only way. You can't be tolerant to intolerance, you can't be democratic to anti-democracy, etc.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Looks like the only sane thing to do is to block routes to GAFAM AS directly on your router instead of relying on DNS tricks. I knew people doing that over ten years ago and i thought they were kind of crazy, but in retrospect they were right all along. What if your website is hosted by Google Cloud Engine or AWS, should we block it? I certainly would. Please find a decent host that does not use their customers as hu…

Gorhill managed to get uBlock to block CNAME masked domains, so surely this wouldn't be that out of reach for an adblocker? Good luck getting this to work in google chrome though.

Maybe this will drive people back to Firefox? It's a perfect opportunity for Mozilla to do a marketing drive... oh, wait, they are busy partnering with Facebook (er, Meta) to do advertising stuff. Sigh.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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post #228

Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

I was thinking about something. There is belief that Old Boeing died when they 'bought' McDonald Douglas, with the result that MD's cancerous bloated failed defense contractor management then injected itself into Boeing. Hear me out. Google bought Doubleclick in 2007. And Doubleclick's sleezy amoral management culture injected itself into Google.

From the outside, Eric Schmidt basically put them on the current track and he long predates the acquisition. Most likely when the company was in its infancy and growing at high rates relied on cranking out products loved by all, it was easy to do the right thing/humor the founders (assuming they cared at least). At this stage though there is not much utility (as far as increasing ad revenue) in improving products, so its harder to hide what really mattered all along if they want to meet the growth expectations that the market/themselves have set.
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