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Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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> Their audio captcha (no longer available?) involved listening to 3 MIDI tunes and picking "the sad one". Given that a large part of the world doesn't use the major/minor dichotomy, or even equal temperament, this seems like a terrible way to verify someone is a human... My favourite recaptchas, if one can have such a thing, are the shape sequence selection ones as they don't make significant assumptions about cultu…

Given that the year is 2022 and even Michael Jackson is known worldwide, I’m pretty sure humans now recognize western music concepts.

I am from a western background, and the last time I checked, I had about a 54% chance of correctly telling minor from major (p > 99.5%).

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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I saw this one today, which asks you to pick a "cheese" illustration: https://imgur.com/a/fQSQpX4 . I'm very much of the opinion that almost all modern captchas are american-centric. Mailboxes, fire hydrants, Trams are not recognizable for billions of people.

My “favorite” ones happen where the site doesn’t pass on the language and you get a captcha in another language. So now you have to google translate and hope to language gods that the word doesn’t have multiple meanings.

I've had this happen to me before [0]: I just got one "mark everything that shows bikes" with pictures of cyclists, motorbikes and cars. The translation used the norwegian word "sykler" which to me is the human powered one. But it looked like it wanted me to also select motorized ones as well. That's something that's lost in the translation.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25227518

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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My “favorite” ones happen where the site doesn’t pass on the language and you get a captcha in another language. So now you have to google translate and hope to language gods that the word doesn’t have multiple meanings.

It's not too uncommon for Japanese websites to use CAPTCHAs in hiragana, so you have to be able to type in はしらす or whatever

Assuming the content is in Japanese this is probably the expected result though.

For international websites it would be good to follow the users chosen language. But if a website doesn't have a english version(or other alphabet based version), expecting alphabets in a captcha is not very reasonable.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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They're providing this market by removing housing from the local people, which drives them out and drives up prices for those who stay. This, in turn, forces all the inhabitants of a city out of it, thus ruining the character those inhabitants gave it. All so some tourist can 'live like a local', at the expense of the actual locals being able to live like a local. And it's wholeheartedly AirBnB's fault and problem. N…

At a large enough scale, I agree that there's an impact to locals. But don't tourists also boost the local economy, the travel industry and introduce different cultures themselves? It's not such a clear case that this is all negative. The lack of regulations is an issue of local governments not catching up to tech companies, as usual, not Airbnb's. > Basically, tourists aren't locals, they should have a right to live…

> At a large enough scale, I agree that there's an impact to locals. But don't tourists also boost the local economy, the travel industry and introduce different cultures themselves? It's not such a clear case that this is all negative.

And tourism is planned into this with the way zoning permits work. But AirBnB skirts those rules. Also the negatives of losing housing in a city far outweigh any financial benefit that could come to it, especially as most won't be reaped by the people that are being forced out...or it will be taken from them in terms of increased rent because the supply is much smaller.

> The lack of regulations is an issue of local governments not catching up to tech companies, as usual, not Airbnb.

Or it's because AirBnB actively lobbies against it and refuses to enforce rules, saying it's up to the individual providers. They facilitate it, and often most things on AirBnB are illegal and against the zoning laws of whatever building they're being used for.

> What if those tourists do eventually become locals after staying at an Airbnb? Are you against migrants as well?

What a ridiculous question. Obviously I'm not against migrants. I'm against tourists thinking they have a right to live like locals. > The locals do benefit financially from tourism. Markets like Airbnb's simply accelerate this, which of course introduces issues, but governments should carry more of the blame for this than a company that disrupts the hotel industry.

> The locals do benefit financially from tourism. Markets like Airbnb's simply accelerate this, which of course introduces issues, but governments should carry more of the blame for this than a company that disrupts the hotel industry.

The locals benefit nothing from AirBnB. The landlords do, sure, but the actual residents and regular workers do not. If anything, it makes matters worse as rents are driven up, or they have to move further away from work. In the worst case scenarios, the town just becomes tourist-oriented and there's no other jobs left. That's a horrible thing as if the tourism ever dries up, the town is left up the creek.

But also tell the locals they benefit financially when their local bar closed down because the landlord thought it'd be better to make it a shop that caters towards tourists; or when all their neighbors move out because of the rambunctious drunken tourists coming in at 2 every night of the week; or when their landlord decides to evict them/up their rent because the landlord knows they can make more on AirBnB than renting to residences.

It's a wholly negative impact to everyone except those people who own the AirBnBs, who are often skirting multiple regulations, facilitated by AirBnB itself. It is a net negative for the city, and I know personally that housing crisis in at least one country (Ireland) has been facilitated by it, as the amount of houses on the market in Dublin doubled during the pandemic when tourism was shut down.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Airbnb has been very human hostile since the beginning. The first time I had to create an account, they required that I connect with a google account with access to all my contacts. Then ask me to make a video of myself. I didn't create the account and booked an hotel. Now they are less aggressive with their new procedures, but still, you can see that the people behind it see technical solutions way before they perce…

What's wrong with sharing bathrooms? That's a dorm, or a youth hostel for that matter. It's totally fine. Pretty common all over the world, not just for the poorest.

Given the choice, I don't think anyone would spend their lives living in a dorm or youth hostel, or a homeless shelter, or a tenement block with communal facilities that would rapidly fall into disrepair (I mean, look at the state of various housing projects and slumlord setups now and imagine if the same setup with communal bathrooms would actually be better kept than that).

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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I see this as high-IQ software developers building systems to shut out non-high-IQ people from society. Managers look at these CAPTCHAs and think "oh I could solve these no problem, let's use them". In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people or by ML bots. Arkose Labs (the maker of this particular captcha) explicitly advertises that their methods can keep out "low-skilled workers" on "human fraud farm…

Wait are you really suggesting that the Airbnb programmers thought "guys, we need to stop low-IQ people from using our site"?? That's crazy.

> explicitly advertises that their methods can keep out "low-skilled workers" on "human fraud farms"

Uhm yeah. They're trying to keep people from human fraud farms (who happen to be low-skilled workers) out. It's not a weird elitist conspiracy to keep all low-IQ people from society out.

Why is HN so full of paranoid conspiracy theories?

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Airbnb has been very human hostile since the beginning. The first time I had to create an account, they required that I connect with a google account with access to all my contacts. Then ask me to make a video of myself. I didn't create the account and booked an hotel. Now they are less aggressive with their new procedures, but still, you can see that the people behind it see technical solutions way before they perce…

What's wrong with sharing bathrooms? That's a dorm, or a youth hostel for that matter. It's totally fine. Pretty common all over the world, not just for the poorest.

We're presumably speaking about a shared bathroom in your home, not about travel accommodation. It would infringe upon a fundamental need for privacy that people have: having a space that is yours alone, where you are free to do whatever, without being observed by others.

I've seen some (studio) apartments that have a private bathroom that outside the front door, but still inside the building. I would very much dislike this: to me, it feels like it would break my private space, forcing me to allow for the possibility to run into others each time I go to the bathroom.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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As someone who added CAPTCHA to their own platform recently after resisting for years because of how much I hate them, I have to tell you that the unfortunate truth is that eventually bad actors ruin the party for everyone on every platform. CAPTCHA is necessary for the same reason locking your car/house is necessary. You can probably not do it 9 times out of 10 and it will be fine, but then that 1/10 happens, all yo…

A friend of mine had a startup that they wanted to be disability friendly as a large part of their community was from that group, so they avoided CAPTCHA for a long time. Eventually they even added it. Spam and vandalism was just too bad.

Unless it's a big site that will get targeted specifically, custom solutions can be made without being such a hassle. Lichess have you move a chess piece. Forums I've used have had a simple question ala "what is 4 + five". A newspaper has a question based on the article before you can comment to prove you read it.

These are much better for the users, you share less data with Google and others, and are fairly trivial to implement. Easy to circumvent, but spammers aren't looking at you specifically.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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I see this as high-IQ software developers building systems to shut out non-high-IQ people from society. Managers look at these CAPTCHAs and think "oh I could solve these no problem, let's use them". In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people or by ML bots. Arkose Labs (the maker of this particular captcha) explicitly advertises that their methods can keep out "low-skilled workers" on "human fraud farm…

Proof of work. I wonder if these mental exercises do increase IQ.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Did not know this, just enabled all of them. Thank you!

There is also an extension on chrome and firefox store named 'I don't care about cookies' which is specifically made for this issue.

Better: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/consent-o-matic/ https://github.com/cavi-au/Consent-O-Matic
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