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Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by anhner »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #381
dxdm wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> our ineffectual administration It always saddens me to see EU citizens talk in absolutes like that. With some exceptions, and by comparison, we have some of the best governments in the world, and, for all its faults, the EU has been a huge net positive. Perpetuating these overly negative stereotypes just aids populists in replacing our good governance with the other kind that we see all over the world.

> It always saddens me to see EU citizens talk in absolutes like that. Unfortunate there are many European enemies of the EU. It doesn't even have anything to do with EU administration: EU can't prevent Google trying to trick users into leaking their privates data and habits. Not at least until Google reveals their plans on how they're gonna do it. On a final note: we accepted two non-democratic countries in EU, Pola…

I don't think it's fair to put Poland and Hungary in that basket. It's not like they were like this when they joined the EU. They slowly drifted towards anti-EU sentiment over the years thanks to populist politicians. The same can happen to any country. The same happend to Britain.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by avgcorrection »

dxdm wrote: post #289
zwaps wrote: post #228

Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

> our ineffectual administration It always saddens me to see EU citizens talk in absolutes like that. With some exceptions, and by comparison, we have some of the best governments in the world, and, for all its faults, the EU has been a huge net positive. Perpetuating these overly negative stereotypes just aids populists in replacing our good governance with the other kind that we see all over the world.

Really fits the EU fan stereotype to immediately complain that someone expressing their subjective opinion “aids populists”.

Maybe they are wrong that the EU is ineffectual. If so, just argue against that.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by emsixteen »

danuker wrote: post #312
simongray wrote: post #302

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There are solutions to most of that, e.g. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/consent-o-matic/md...

This is more of a workaround. A solution to a poliical problem is political, not technical.

How is it political?

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by marcosdumay »

manholio wrote: post #358
zwaps wrote: post #228

Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

> Of course, there is little hope. I think our hope are technical solutions: - No 3rd party cookies or equivalents, fully compartmentalized browsing, no automated cross-domain GETs/POSTs, no domain can leak data to another domain without manual intervention - No User-Agent leak, just a standards compliance level ex. HTML/5.0 - No Java-Script leaks, fonts or any other way to do client fingerprinting - Cycle your IPv6…

None of those have any chance of helping.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by top_sigrid »

novok wrote: post #201
ec109685 wrote: post #36

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Apple’s Private Relay blocks this type of cross site tracking. Given this tracking is all server side, third party cookies across sites aren’t possible using this mechanism, and private relay cycles through your IP addresses frequently and uses common IPs across multiple users. Regarding your other point, unless Google execs want to be thrown in jail / sued, they can’t use things like first party cookies for their be…

How is private relay different from a vpn? A lot of fingerprinting scripts also can track you despite vpn.

Private Relay uses ingress and egress relays. The ingress proxy does know your IP but not which sites you are visiting and what you are doing. The egress proxy is only connected to the ingress, sees what you visit but does not know who you are. Both proxies are run by different parties.

With a VPN you would have to trust one provider, who sees all of your traffic.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by lillecarl »

dtech wrote: post #362
chickenimprint wrote: post #291

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Is it safe to assume you've never had to deal with those downright malevolent dark patterns and button labyrinths, designed to make it extremely unlikely for anyone in the general population to actually reject tracking?

So what do you propose: "People are working around it so we should just give up"? I don't think it's time to admit defeat like that. This can change, but enforcement and courts by nature are slow. With EU courts striking down asymptotic consent banners as illegal, sites are spooked, and you now see sites adding a "reject all" button next to the "accept all". I still have hope we get there.

Some reject all buttons don't set a cookie/localstorage for the rejection meaning the banner will be on every page, darkest of patterns!

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by 3836293648 »

minimilian wrote: post #263
hilbert42 wrote: post #47

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"I don't have the time or energy to block JavaScript and/or manually inspect each domain's requests to figure out if they use server-side tracking or not." By default, I don't run JavaScript. I don't see blocking JS as a problem - in fact, it's a blessing as the web is blinding fast without it - and also most of the ads just simply disappear if JS is not running. On occasions when I need JS (only about 3-5% of sites)…

i used to have javascript turned off for a long time, but i've given up. you can't even search hacker news without javascript (for some reason).

Pretending as if you can search hacker news with JS turned on...

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by terrycody »

matt_heimer wrote: post #140
rootusrootus wrote: post #128

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If I am reading it right, the article is saying about 1/3 of all web sites on the Internet already use GTM.

Using Google Tag Manager doesn't mean you are using the server-side tagging. You have to configure it in your account. It is something you have to pay for. If you read the instructions on https://developers.google.com/tag-platform/tag-manager/serve... you have to have GCP billing setup to pay for the App Engine instance running the server-side tagging proxy.

thx for the explaination, btw, do you think server side GTM can let Adsense bypass the adblocker, since it is what claimed in the article. Though after Googled a bit, I can't find a single article/video about this.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by PhantomGremlin »

ComodoHacker wrote: post #290
aenis wrote: post #212

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Not sure about the parent poster, but I am here mostly for the comments, and rarely visit the linked content.

Doesn't exactly this behavior create echo chambers and lead to polarization?

I usually do read the linked content but I agree with GP poster that comments are often more informative.

Yes there is sometimes an echo chamber here, but it's only for limited topics. It very much has a Silicon Valley feel to it, but @dang and I have gone around on this and he assures us that the readership and comments have broad geographic representation.[1] It's a worldwide echo chamber. :)

Fortunately the echo chamber doesn't exist for most submissions. Most of the discussion on HN is on non-polarizing topics.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26869902

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