I wonder if Google Takeout would have the content? Definitely try that. Also try a GDPR request. Not sure if that will work but that might get you a backup copy if they have it. If people have watched the videos recently there might be some local cache on their computers you can grab.
Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work
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Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work
#262If the account can still login in any capacity, please attempt a takeout of the the youtube account. https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout/custom/youtube?p... This will generate a link that could possibly have an archive of every video uploaded by that account. You don't have have any contact information listed on your account page. Please do so.
I have added contact information, sorry about that, take out reports less than one megabyte. "Unable to access a Google product If you've been redirected to this page from a particular product, it means that your access to this product has been suspended." This is so incredibly frustrating. I wish I had asked on hacker news before trying for so long to get a response from google.
*If* this is possible, of course, it only works where the GDPR holds ground - so the EU, sadly. But again, *if* this is actually possible, that's a pretty big win for the GDPR and all the more reason to make noises about it.
Which was why I was wondering out loud - I'm curious how far detached my mental model is from reality.
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a terrible look — one that you can't avoid with 100% certainty even with a Google or Microsoft email!
Yes, but it's much less likely to happen when using Google.
Kind of sad that “it looks bad” if your email lands in spam. It happens, this is the technology.
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The danger is not just that Google may one day delete your data, maybe. The danger is that an advertising surveillance company that has leveraged its ad surveillance into hundreds of billions of dollars per year in revenue has access to (and uses!) 100% of your personal correspondence, today and every day, no maybe. Additionally, they regularly turn such data over to government snoops, without due process or probable…
> The danger is that an advertising surveillance company that has leveraged its ad surveillance into hundreds of billions of dollars per year in revenue has access to (and uses!) 100% of your personal correspondence, today and every day, no maybe. There is nothing dangerous with being shown more relevant ads.
However, the collected data create an intimate, detailed portrait of you. Data aggregators can know how old you are, your general state of health, where you have been, your interests, including sexual interests, your political views both expressed and unexpressed, your associations, your associates, your family, your daily habits, your unusual habits, your credit score, whether that credit score is accurate, etc, etc.
And, this is true for everyone you come into contact with: friends, family, business associates.
An AI could, with this data, model you and your behavior more accurately than could your own spouse.
Moreover, not only must you trust the people with access to that data, and everyone they sell it to, to only ever use it for targeted ads, but you must trust everyone who will ever have access to it, forever.
While you may believe you're boring and your views are entirely uncontroversial, times change. Or, hell, with enough data and motivation, someone can paint a damning portrait of you made up whole cloth from true, innocuous details.
You have to just hope that neither you nor anyone you associate with become a political target, or the target of criminal activity, or garner just plain negative attention, for whatever reason, because if so, you and your loved ones will be trivially easy to find and manipulate.
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#266Is there an effort to build a solution to problems like this that don't rely on a friend of a friend from Google 'fixing' things. At some point the FDA didn't exist and we decided to create it to regulate an industry. At some point, fair credit reporting didn't exist and we decided to create that to regulate a different industry. Is there a real and lasting solution to this problem that the firm hand of democracy can…
A friend of mine had a similar problem in Google maps. He’d spent years adding photos and reviews and his photo views were in the millions, then Google flagged him as doing something that violated their terms. Within a week his whole account had been taken down and there’s no way to speak to a human about what happened. Never even received confirmation of which post was in violation and what the issue was. How did we…
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Worth giving a go at least...
My anecdotal experience (just poking around) is that Google never deletes publicly-facing data, because it's cheaper to just keep it. So there may be a reasonable chance the photos are tucked away somewhere, along with the metadata pointing them to the account in question.
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>Is there an effort to build a solution to problems like this that don't rely on a friend of a friend from Google 'fixing' things. I know It is easy to say to own your own things / Video. In reality a reliable storage system is not easy nor cheap. A BTRFS / ZFS system that is Turn Key solution with drive redundancy and error correction by default. And that is ignoring other things like security. My dream solution wou…
I would describe an off-the-shelf NAS as easy and cheap. A 2-bay model with drives costs It's not a highly redundant enterprise solution, but it's decent for home and small business users, especially since the alternative is usually 'nothing'.
A stack of DVD's in a book shelf.
Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work
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I would describe an off-the-shelf NAS as easy and cheap. A 2-bay model with drives costs It's not a highly redundant enterprise solution, but it's decent for home and small business users, especially since the alternative is usually 'nothing'.
>I would describe an off-the-shelf NAS as easy and cheap Only Qnap offers ZFS and Synology offer BTRFS. And none of these file system are default option. ( I dont think they do scheduled scrubbing by default either ) They are also only available on mid range model. Qnap had third or forth security issues with Bitcoin ransomeware. Synology requires lot of work to turn off All internet facing features. To the point the…
Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work
#269How many more pleas like this will we see on HN? Or, hear from friends, colleagues, and relatives who have been locked out or denied access to an important service, either through no fault of their own or by an innocent action? No warning. No explanation other than "suspicious activity" or "violation of [vaguely worded] policy." No human to call who can help troubleshoot, other than a tech-savvy friend or relative. N…
It'd be interesting what a technology bill of rights looks like, but one form I could easily support would be saying any account that acts as an identity provider (i.e. oauth) requires a judge ruling to be deleted. It'd require additional identification measures to prevent spam upon creation, but the tradeoffs might be worth it. One of the larger impacts of having your gmail deleted is how many other services likely…
This works in the content creation sphere.
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#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
And why shouldn't they have right to remove such content? Clearly it wasn't following intent of the site. And the user didn't really lose anything, as they still have the originals. Which in no way have been affected.
My understanding is in this case the user doesn’t have the originals; they’ve truly lost 7 years of labor.