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Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by ksec »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #211
ksec wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Is there an effort to build a solution to problems like this that don't rely on a friend of a friend from Google 'fixing' things. I know It is easy to say to own your own things / Video. In reality a reliable storage system is not easy nor cheap. A BTRFS / ZFS system that is Turn Key solution with drive redundancy and error correction by default. And that is ignoring other things like security. My dream solution wou…

I would describe an off-the-shelf NAS as easy and cheap. A 2-bay model with drives costs It's not a highly redundant enterprise solution, but it's decent for home and small business users, especially since the alternative is usually 'nothing'.

>I would describe an off-the-shelf NAS as easy and cheap

Only Qnap offers ZFS and Synology offer BTRFS. And none of these file system are default option. ( I dont think they do scheduled scrubbing by default either ) They are also only available on mid range model. Qnap had third or forth security issues with Bitcoin ransomeware. Synology requires lot of work to turn off All internet facing features. To the point they dont want you to do it because all Internet facing features are their product differentiation. I think most user want more like a DAS ( Direct Attached Storage ), or NAS that is only accessible via Intranet.

Once you have that setup, a DS220+ with two 4TB NAS Drive and a usable 4TB storage cost $500. ( Or $400 if you use non NAS / Long Warranty Drive )

I am not sure if $500 / $400 for 4TB is cheap or affordable to average consumers.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by root_axis »

Ekaros wrote: post #102
ilamont wrote: post #97

How many more pleas like this will we see on HN? Or, hear from friends, colleagues, and relatives who have been locked out or denied access to an important service, either through no fault of their own or by an innocent action? No warning. No explanation other than "suspicious activity" or "violation of [vaguely worded] policy." No human to call who can help troubleshoot, other than a tech-savvy friend or relative. N…

We need education. Education to regular people that unless you have a contract with clear clauses and payments involved your data is worth what you pay. Your expectations from free service should be zero. It can go out of business at any time. Or they can stop offering it at anytime.

I find it ironic that rather than avoid these pernicious companies people instead want to enshrine them as permanent fixtures into our society by legislating universal access to them. It would be analogous to passing a law that would guarantee free doses of heroin during the opioid crisis. We need to break the addiction, not exacerbate it.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by waffle_maniac »

S_A_P wrote: post #237

YouTube deleted my account a few months ago. The reason was totally unfounded and I had no recourse. I’m pretty certain some AI flagged my account and instead of a sensible approach like 1) notify the user that something they did was flagged. 2) point to the instance where the supposed bad behavior happened and allow review/context by humans 3) see that my YouTube account was 12-13 years old and had only a handful of…

Infuriating. I know it’s a private company but the internet feels much less free recently.

The reason I’m using YT is for private video backup and slideshows. So basically stuff that is backed up elsewhere.

I want more decentralized solutions. The problem is that they are costly.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by nojvek »

This is kind of dumb. At-least YouTube should have a form of downloading archived videos if the account is deactivated. They probably have them on their servers anyway.

Some of this makes me feel like there should be some form of law. If you ban/delete someone’s account, and the data they had was not illegal .e.g child porn, you gotta hand it over.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by rp3 »

aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #228
mNovak wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did enjoy Migadu and want to support them, but I had more than one important business email get filtered on the receiving end as spam because of the host. I found myself having to check in with people on sensitive matters to ensure they got my email, which is not a great look. This was back in the free tier days (though I had a paid account), so maybe its improved now.

It's a terrible look — one that you can't avoid with 100% certainty even with a Google or Microsoft email!

Yes, but it's much less likely to happen when using Google.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by WalterBright »

Let's face it. If you use a cloud service for any critical business service, such as processing payments, or data storage, you're liable to get "turned off" for any random reason by an algorithm. You have no recourse whatsoever.

Have your own personal backups of all your valuable data, emails, videos, pictures, etc.

As I learned from expensive experience, if you use a cloud payment processor, have it set up with at least two distinct companies. Yeah, I got turned off by an algorithm on one. Their support sent me pathetically worthless AI generated emails. After a couple months, I got it turned back on finally because I personally knew someone at the company. Obviously, this is not a general solution.

Always have a backup service plan at another company.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by WalterBright »

jdhendrickson wrote: post #56

Mea Culpa I'm in the industry. I knew we should have had backups. She is brilliant but not technical and while the backups would have been expensive and difficult due to size, I should have built multiple NAS and distributed them geographically and used Syncthing to keep them updated. To be clear we were legacy G-suite users and have converted to paying customers, so it was a free service while this happened, and is…

You can buy 16 terabyte drives for $300 or so. Cost shouldn't be a problem to back up your videos.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by WalterBright »

ziml77 wrote: post #150
jdhendrickson wrote: post #56

Mea Culpa I'm in the industry. I knew we should have had backups. She is brilliant but not technical and while the backups would have been expensive and difficult due to size, I should have built multiple NAS and distributed them geographically and used Syncthing to keep them updated. To be clear we were legacy G-suite users and have converted to paying customers, so it was a free service while this happened, and is…

The important thing for your business going forward is to ensure that you have good contracts. Your contract with YouTube was their terms of service. Those terms basically give you no guarantees yet give Google immense freedom. I think Vimeo is a good choice for hosting new videos. For archival I would consider just using a single NAS of your own and then have that replicate to Amazon Glacier in at least 1 other regi…

I wouldn't rely on a contract for archival services. Legal action can take several years to wind through the courts.

For gawd's sake, buy some terabyte drives and make a backup that you control. Mail a copy to your mom just in case.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by eyelidlessness »

charcircuit wrote: post #234
sneak wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The danger is not just that Google may one day delete your data, maybe. The danger is that an advertising surveillance company that has leveraged its ad surveillance into hundreds of billions of dollars per year in revenue has access to (and uses!) 100% of your personal correspondence, today and every day, no maybe. Additionally, they regularly turn such data over to government snoops, without due process or probable…

> The danger is that an advertising surveillance company that has leveraged its ad surveillance into hundreds of billions of dollars per year in revenue has access to (and uses!) 100% of your personal correspondence, today and every day, no maybe. There is nothing dangerous with being shown more relevant ads.

When I have the stomach for it, I click irrelevant ads which don’t reflect my interests. You know—out of curiosity—to spend their money. It’s astonishing how quickly a silly hat becomes literal violent propaganda. I mean, in the same minute.
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