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Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by doctor_eval »

belter wrote: post #70
gruez wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>At some point the FDA didn't exist and we decided to create it to regulate an industry. FDA, youtube edition: alphabet is the only company approved to host videos for public consumption, because they're the only one that has an approved copyright/hate speech filter (regulated for safety, efficacy, ADA compliance, and to be non-discriminatory). All other sites are prohibited from operating unless they spend $5B to ge…

You raise a very important point, that I have seen at work in the Finance industry. It goes like this: Large consulting companies are structurally incompetent and keep running to the ground financial and government IT projects. After starting to see their lunch taken by small specialized and competent small operations, a underground operation starts to require the regulator to force companies working in the space to…

I saw the end result of this, after working on a proposal for a large Australian city council. After the presentation, I was told that while our ideas were awesome, unfortunately we were too small (ca. 15 people). We would have to have partnered with a large consultant (IBM was mentioned), or we would not be invited to continue our work.

We were told explicitly that this was because council needed someone big enough to sue. To this day it makes no sense to me. But that’s how it was.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by Ekaros »

ilamont wrote: post #97

How many more pleas like this will we see on HN? Or, hear from friends, colleagues, and relatives who have been locked out or denied access to an important service, either through no fault of their own or by an innocent action? No warning. No explanation other than "suspicious activity" or "violation of [vaguely worded] policy." No human to call who can help troubleshoot, other than a tech-savvy friend or relative. N…

We need education. Education to regular people that unless you have a contract with clear clauses and payments involved your data is worth what you pay.

Your expectations from free service should be zero. It can go out of business at any time. Or they can stop offering it at anytime.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by alasdair_ »

pembrook wrote: post #94

After seeing posts like this on HN for years, this one officially scared me enough to completely migrate off Gmail altogether. I’m in the process right now of removing my gmail from any online account. Pro-tip: if you use a password manager, it’s as easy as searching for your Gmail address. For all other accounts, I’ve been able to find them by searching for the phrases “verify your email” or “verify email” or “verif…

Your post reminded me to back using my gmail locally and to ensure a script does so automatically from now on. I need to do the same with google docs as soon as possible.

I keep forgetting that “the cloud” just means “a computer that belongs to someone else, that they can take back at any time”

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by Ekaros »

mulmen wrote: post #92

I cant help with Youtube but this is a good reminder to look at your other practices and make sure you aren’t reliant on Google for anything else, and aren’t using free services for other critical functionality.

Or if you are essentially exploiting such service you have sufficient backups(in plural).

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by pc86 »

Moru wrote: post #61
pc86 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a thread full of unhelpful, pedantic comments this is a podium finisher for sure.

It's just one of those memes on the net, I'm sure GP meant no harm at this time. Do a google for it, it's everywhere. We have all been bitten by it.

I mean it's a statement of fact, not really a meme. I've heard it before, I've said it before. But it's irrelevant in this context.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by jmnicolas »

If think this can happen if a malicious person (a competitor for example) use a bot to mass report your videos. So it might not be as random as you think.

I'm currently in a conundrum: I'm completely degoogled except a YT account that I can lose without problem. I have built a website a few weeks ago and I don't think I can get good SEO rankings if I don't use Google console tools.

I'm just procrastinating because it was so hard to degoogle then falling back is a hard pill to swallow. You example is yet another reminder how evil Google is.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by rectang »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #90
rectang wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about if durable archival was an upsell alongside upload?

So the issue is Google often takes down accounts with illegal content using the same process as here. Imagine the very real scenario that Google found CSAM on an account: They aren't going to let you access it or download it again for any amount of money. And that's the problem here: With no humans in the process, YouTube treats ordinary users and predators exactly the same way, because ultimately, algorithms are stu…

> YouTube treats ordinary users and predators exactly the same way

Does it have to be that way? There are various reasons for banning an account.

If the content is actually CSAM, then I imagine a provider's hands are tied under US law at least. But algorithmically flagged CSAM has a confidence percentage associated with it. A provider is not legally obligated to deny you archival access to video of a kid's pool party given a false positive flag by a scanning algo.

Then there are lots of other reasons that an account may end up banned where archival access doesn't necessarily have to be problematic. For example, there's no reason to take away access to completely original COVID denialist videos, even if the platform decides that it's not going to allow them to be shared.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by doctor_eval »

adventured wrote: post #55
hermannj314 wrote: post #35

Is there an effort to build a solution to problems like this that don't rely on a friend of a friend from Google 'fixing' things. At some point the FDA didn't exist and we decided to create it to regulate an industry. At some point, fair credit reporting didn't exist and we decided to create that to regulate a different industry. Is there a real and lasting solution to this problem that the firm hand of democracy can…

This is similar to leaving your personal property contents in a storage locker / unit / container that you don't own. Except it being digital, and given the storage isn't / never was being paid for, you're going to get that much less sympathy from the judicial system - entirely appropriately. No, there's no legislative solution to something like this. The content owner has no standing and it's difficult to find an ar…

I don’t think this analogy is correct. Instead, I’d say the analogous case is more like loaning your art to a gallery. The gallery makes a profit from the thousands of people who pay to view the art that you provided at your own expense.

Then, one day someone at the gallery decides that the art contains something that doesn’t look right. Maybe it’s a peach, in the background, that looks like a butt.

So, to resolve the problem, they burn all of your art to the ground.

Re: Tell HN: YouTube and how my wife lost 7 years of work

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Post by heavyset_go »

donatzsky wrote: post #76
jdhendrickson wrote: post #56

Mea Culpa I'm in the industry. I knew we should have had backups. She is brilliant but not technical and while the backups would have been expensive and difficult due to size, I should have built multiple NAS and distributed them geographically and used Syncthing to keep them updated. To be clear we were legacy G-suite users and have converted to paying customers, so it was a free service while this happened, and is…

If you're a paid G-Suite user, you might be able to get help that way. I'm pretty sure I have heard of others doing something like that.

In my experience, paid GSuite "support" are just underpaid contractors in developing countries who don't have much power to do anything outside of a few common actions in response to customers' requests.
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