He shoved his arm down it’s throat and bucked it’s ribs in with his knees. Sick.
In what sense do you mean "sick"? I.e., "perverse" or "impressive"?
Gnarly. Radical.
Carl Akeley’s fight to the death with a leopard (1923)
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> you're just a meal Some animals attack out of defense as well, as in this case. > let's not idealize animals Acknowledging that most animals have consciousness, emotions, language, etc. isn't idealizing them, it's just an accurate observation. This is opposed to treating animals like trophies or non-sentient creatures. > where you among other things learn that dolphins and sea otters have rapists amongst their rank…
> most animals have consciousness, emotions, language, etc. Ok, so some I could see (elephants, dolphins, etc), but if it's most I'm gonna need a source on that.
Well pretty much every animal is conscious (aware of it’s surroundings and interacting with it’s environment in a strategic way).
Almost every animal needs to be able to communicate with their own species either through cooperation, competition or finding a mate.
All mammals I know of (and I think by definition) nurse and care for their young. That means there’s some form of communication between the parents and the child.
And for emotions, it’s easy to see in domesticated cats and dogs, as well as wild primates. Fear, jealousy, anger, affection, etc. But it’s also been documented in many other species as well.
Here’s some more info:
https://online.uwa.edu/news/empathy-in-animals/
> We know that fish are conscious and sentient, rats, mice and chickens display empathy and feel not only their own pain but also that of other individuals
https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/what_kind_of_e...
> Even rodents, once thought to be unaffected by emotions and devoid of facial expressions, have been found to “express anguish through narrowed eyes, flattened ears, and swollen cheeks.” They also have facial expressions for pleasure, and they recognize these states in other rats. As for horses, De Waal notes that their faces are “about as expressive as those of the primates.”
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Most humans, if they were hungry enough and in a position to do so, would kill and eat a baby impala, too. But humans can have and feel pity.
Humans do not need to be hungry to kill animals, we imprison and kill animals when we aren't hungry. Our notion of pity is strange.
Re: Carl Akeley’s fight to the death with a leopard (1923)
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Victorian hunters in Africa were pretty brutal. But to be fair to Akeley, he actually had a change of heart near the end of his life after he moved further north to hunt gorillas, and was instrumental to creating Africa's first national park, in the DRC, to preserve and protect the gorillas.
It wasnt just Victorian hunters, the whole country was pretty brutal, sayings existed like "children should be seen and not heard", "stiff upper lip" that sort of thing, and you dont get to run an empire by being nice. That mentality still exists in large parts of the british establishment even today. This is a lion being reunited with the guy who bought it from Harrods as a cub. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLHdp…
Can you explain what about "that sort of thing" is so repulsive to you, perchance?
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#55Having been around wild leopards in Africa, and worked around nearly all the big cats - leopards scare me the most. A tiger or lion can be confused by unexpected behavior which can delay or slow an attack. Leopards are the most single-minded predator I've ever seen in action and the only equivalent I can think of is a great white shark. Leopards are relentless, ferocious and deadly. I suspect Mr. Ackley's encounter w…
Polar bear is also said to be very dangerous. Could it be similar?
Re: Carl Akeley’s fight to the death with a leopard (1923)
#56"Her intention was to sink her teeth into my throat and with this grip and her forepaws hang to me while with her hind claws she dug out my stomach, for this pleasant practice is the way of leopard".
A technique favored of course by housecats too, though to less deadly effect.
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> that “adventure” is the story of humanity’s rise and spread. It is a very different story when one kills a predator to make a new safe living space for themselves and their family. The person in question had a safe and comfortable place to live and went out of their way to kill a sentient being and then left the area thus secured. One is about necessity and the other is a blood sport.
How do you figure humanity spreads if it never leaves those safe spaces?
It sounds like you are not reading what I wrote. Humanity does not spread by going from A to B, killing things in B and then returning to A. That is tourism and not spreading.
Also where does it say that humanity have to spread? I’m sympathetic with people whose current location become undesirable and they have to move to a new place. But “spreading” is not the goal.
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How do you figure humanity spreads if it never leaves those safe spaces?
It sounds like you are not reading what I wrote. Humanity does not spread by going from A to B, killing things in B and then returning to A. That is tourism and not spreading. Also where does it say that humanity have to spread? I’m sympathetic with people whose current location become undesirable and they have to move to a new place. But “spreading” is not the goal.
All life spreads and lives wherever they can--humans included. That's just how life on Earth works. It is the natural way of things, for better or worse
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> most animals have consciousness, emotions, language, etc. Ok, so some I could see (elephants, dolphins, etc), but if it's most I'm gonna need a source on that.
Well pretty much every animal is conscious (aware of it’s surroundings and interacting with it’s environment in a strategic way). Almost every animal needs to be able to communicate with their own species either through cooperation, competition or finding a mate. All mammals I know of (and I think by definition) nurse and care for their young. That means there’s some form of communication between the parents and the…
Most of these examples are about mammals. I'm pretty sure those aren't the majority of animals. I'm pretty sure it's insects. Well, for land dwelling animals, I'm not actually sure about ocean dwelling ones. With the amount of ocean we've mapped, do we actually know that side of this?
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It sounds like you are not reading what I wrote. Humanity does not spread by going from A to B, killing things in B and then returning to A. That is tourism and not spreading. Also where does it say that humanity have to spread? I’m sympathetic with people whose current location become undesirable and they have to move to a new place. But “spreading” is not the goal.
All life spreads and lives wherever they can--humans included. That's just how life on Earth works. It is the natural way of things, for better or worse
And while it is possible to coast on prior success, or find an isolated enough niche, and pretend that it is not fundamental to all life everywhere - that doesn’t make it less of a delusion.
Society uses, builds, and works to maintain delusions like this because it helps keep us all from a mad max future. It’s one of those ‘useful to believe’ things most of the time.
But don’t buy it so much you let someone use it against you as a weapon, instead of as a mutual agreement.