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Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by mLuby »

mulmen wrote: post #40
brnaftr361 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude I got dinged for a weed possession charge from my 17th year when I was 21 for a job at Kum'N'Go. I don't give a fuck what kinda logical hoops they jumped through, but it's obscene considering about a month after that I was working in a critical industry with literally millions of dollars of equipment in my hands and a high-risk environment. It doesn't make sense in so many cases, probably most and it only increa…

Ok but if I run a bank I don't want to hire Bernie Madoff, no matter how much time he served. So having the government tell me I can discriminate based on conviction for financial crimes but not drug possession more than 5 years ago seems reasonable. At least to improve the status quo.

If the government says an individual isn't allowed to do something, like work in a financial profession or live near a school, that's up to the government to determine and enforce: "quit/relocate or you'll be back in prison."

Don't put that on businesses.

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by handmodel »

brnt wrote: post #84
dahfizz wrote: post #56

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I think the opposite is more likely. WFH increases the level of trust needed between employer and employee.

I don't really check who's building my websites or little tools I purchase. It's not exactly wfh, it's just having your own business that does not require (much of) an office.

It seems besides the point. The vast majority of cons are people without a huge range of skills to choose from.

I'm sure convicted hackers or white collar criminals have trouble finding work that suits their skill level but probably able to do so at a cut/lower level. The one convicted white collar criminal I know is working again.

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by kingcharles »

slt2021 wrote: post #3

They need to study deeper, why these young men engage in criminal activities in the first place, only to find themselves arrested and later ineligible for any job. Do they think that benefits from criminal activities outweigh the risks of being caught and not being able to pass any background check for entire life? First step if to stop young men from engaging in criminal behavior, to stop feeding jails with fresh bl…

Having just done 8 years inside, I saw the split two ways: (1) a lot of people with a huge variety of undiagnosed mental health issues that made regular jobs difficult; and (2) those that had been indoctrinated since birth to believe that working a regular job was a loser path and that gaining income through crime was the only route acceptable due to peer pressure.

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by kingcharles »

dahfizz wrote: post #67
GeoAtreides wrote: post #60

This is horrifying. You have a huge number of disfranchised people, who can't normally participate in society -- they can't get a job, they can't a mate. On this path lies radicalization and violence. I'm not sure you understand how truly chilling this is. These people, with nothing to lose, absolutely nothing to lose, have easy access to weapons and ammunition. You are sitting on a very very large powder keg and it…

> These people, with nothing to lose, absolutely nothing to lose, have easy access to weapons and ammunition. Isn't it illegal to buy a gun if you have a felony? Putting aside the whole "they're criminals, they don't follow the law". Unless that was your point

Before I went to jail I wouldn't know where to buy drugs or guns from. Now, I could make a call and have an entire raft of fun things at my disposable within hours, given some cold hard cash.

Going to jail increases your criminal networking considerably.

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by mLuby »

chrisseaton wrote: post #88
mjevans wrote: post #80

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It is dystopian to be sentenced to social death without any chance of reform. All the more so if we can ever figure out the medical stuff and live a lot longer and/or repair injury and defect that might hinder rational thought. There's got to be a method for redemption and being recognized as redeemed. The issue today is that hiring processes are not really fair, they can't be objectively run with subjective measures…

> There's got to be a method for redemption and being recognized as redeemed. Surely forgiveness, rather than feigned amnesia?

"To err is human; to forgive, divine."

As is obvious from the attitudes in this thread, legally enforced amnesia is the only practical solution.

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by mox1 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #54
brnaftr361 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude I got dinged for a weed possession charge from my 17th year when I was 21 for a job at Kum'N'Go. I don't give a fuck what kinda logical hoops they jumped through, but it's obscene considering about a month after that I was working in a critical industry with literally millions of dollars of equipment in my hands and a high-risk environment. It doesn't make sense in so many cases, probably most and it only increa…

I'm not exactly sure if you are disagreeing with me, because what you are saying is exactly my point. A weed possession charge as a minor is the type of thing that I think regulation should disallow as a disqualifying factor for all types of jobs. The idea would be that I would ask a background check service "I am hiring for a CLERK at CONVENIENCE_STORE", and I would just get back a response "No disqualifying convict…

This is currently how Pennsylvania works it’s background checks for working with children. PA law requires everyone who volunteers or works with kids to do a couple state specific background checks. The response from these is a “allow to work with kids” / “not allowed”. They don’t tell you the details.

it’s actually pretty privacy focused way to accomplish things.

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by micromacrofoot »

PedroBatista wrote: post #78
betwixthewires wrote: post #72

Maybe I'm nuts, but I don't think a person's record should be available. Maybe in extreme circumstances, like they're still a danger to those around them, but beyond that, once the sentence has been completed it should be 100% back to normal.

As in anything, some middle-ground is where things generally sit. The no record available once the sentence is completed is fine until someone gets killed or their daughter raped by someone with extensive criminal record of things not related to murder or rape. The unfortunate reality is, a certain type of people will continue to commit crimes all their life and many of them aren't even premeditated, it's a "it just…

Blaming "culture" for crime is a racist dog-whistle, and it's very rightly radioactive to talk about because there's almost no evidence to support it. Your opinion is rooted in stereotypes and you should investigate this more before continuing to jump to the culture conclusion.

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by slt2021 »

kingcharles wrote: post #93
slt2021 wrote: post #3

They need to study deeper, why these young men engage in criminal activities in the first place, only to find themselves arrested and later ineligible for any job. Do they think that benefits from criminal activities outweigh the risks of being caught and not being able to pass any background check for entire life? First step if to stop young men from engaging in criminal behavior, to stop feeding jails with fresh bl…

Having just done 8 years inside, I saw the split two ways: (1) a lot of people with a huge variety of undiagnosed mental health issues that made regular jobs difficult; and (2) those that had been indoctrinated since birth to believe that working a regular job was a loser path and that gaining income through crime was the only route acceptable due to peer pressure.

Would you agree that group (2) is not actually unemployed, since they dont seek employment in the first place, but rather employed full/part-time in criminal scene industry?

Re: Study finds most unemployed young men have criminal records

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Post by mLuby »

barry-cotter wrote: post #16
_moof wrote: post #9

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> You can’t just ask businesses to stop doing background checks and employ convicted felons and hope they will not embezzle funds from their new employer. The risk is too high. There is a reasonable solution to this, and it's "ban the box" or "fair chance hiring" laws. These laws make it illegal to perform background checks prior to making a conditional offer. The best ones make companies provide substantive, written…

> A 2020 study by economists Jennifer L. Doleac and Benjamin Hansen found that Ban the Box increased employer discrimination against young, low-skilled black men. The authors argue that when employers are unable to check job applicants' criminal records early in the hiring process, they instead resort to statistical discrimination against groups that include more ex-offenders.[35] A 2020 study by economist Evan K. Ro…

1) Racial discrimination is itself illegal.

2) Ban the Box didn't prevent criminal background checks, it just pushed them to the end of the hiring process. So it's unsurprising that it didn't have a significant effect.

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