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Carl Akeley’s fight to the death with a leopard (1923)

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Re: Carl Akeley’s fight to the death with a leopard (1923)

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Post by bombcar »

Lordarminius wrote: post #32
titzer wrote: post #24

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> The sentient leopard wouldn't have such pity for you, you're just a meal. Sorry, but no. Leopards are not mindless eating machines that can be treated like evil robots with one intent. They have complex lives think about things, and feel pity, if limited. They are scrappy fighters getting pushed to the brink by human encroachment. They have shard minds and are shrewd when necessary. When they're gone, the world wil…

Leopards feel pity ? That is absolute nonsense.

It does not feel pity or remorse of fear and cannot be stopped unless killed.

However maybe they could be domesticated over long time.

Re: Carl Akeley’s fight to the death with a leopard (1923)

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Post by dTal »

Lordarminius wrote: post #32
titzer wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The sentient leopard wouldn't have such pity for you, you're just a meal. Sorry, but no. Leopards are not mindless eating machines that can be treated like evil robots with one intent. They have complex lives think about things, and feel pity, if limited. They are scrappy fighters getting pushed to the brink by human encroachment. They have shard minds and are shrewd when necessary. When they're gone, the world wil…

Leopards feel pity ? That is absolute nonsense.

It's not implausible. Domesticated cats are widely known to attempt to comfort their distressed humans.

Re: Carl Akeley’s fight to the death with a leopard (1923)

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Post by itrollpussies »

Lordarminius wrote: post #32
titzer wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The sentient leopard wouldn't have such pity for you, you're just a meal. Sorry, but no. Leopards are not mindless eating machines that can be treated like evil robots with one intent. They have complex lives think about things, and feel pity, if limited. They are scrappy fighters getting pushed to the brink by human encroachment. They have shard minds and are shrewd when necessary. When they're gone, the world wil…

Leopards feel pity ? That is absolute nonsense.

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Re: Carl Akeley’s fight to the death with a leopard (1923)

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Post by ByteJockey »

awb wrote: post #20
jmnicolas wrote: post #14

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The sentient leopard wouldn't have such pity for you, you're just a meal. While I don't condone free kills either, let's not idealize animals. I wish I could find the article that dispelled myths about animals (where you among other things learn that dolphins and sea otters have rapists amongst their ranks).

> you're just a meal Some animals attack out of defense as well, as in this case. > let's not idealize animals Acknowledging that most animals have consciousness, emotions, language, etc. isn't idealizing them, it's just an accurate observation. This is opposed to treating animals like trophies or non-sentient creatures. > where you among other things learn that dolphins and sea otters have rapists amongst their rank…

> most animals have consciousness, emotions, language, etc.

Ok, so some I could see (elephants, dolphins, etc), but if it's most I'm gonna need a source on that.

Re: Carl Akeley’s fight to the death with a leopard (1923)

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Post by ByteJockey »

ziggus wrote: post #9
fasdhaflkhj wrote: post #6

I'm confused. > That done, the antiseptic was pumped into every one of the innumerable tooth wounds until my arm was so full of the liquid that an injection in one drove it out of another Isn't antiseptic applied topically not systemically, as they seem to be doing here by injection, and didn't antibiotics get developed later than this? I can't understand what they were injecting him with. Can anyone fill in my gaps,…

Antiseptics and antibiotics are both classes of antibacterials, but yes, antiseptics can be delivered intravenously. At that time, they may have used something like iodine, penicillin or even carbolic acid.

Penicillin wouldn't have been a thing in the 20s, but I believe the others would have been around.

Re: Carl Akeley’s fight to the death with a leopard (1923)

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Post by wvlia5 »

areoform wrote: post #12

I have vacillated on whether or not I should write this comment. I am writing this because most of the comments are focused on the man's prose and prowess. I am on the leopard's side here. Leopards, and most members of the Felidae (cat) family, are sentient, and we hunted some members of this family to near extinction because of accounts like these. Accounts that glorified the "adventure" of going into their habitats…

I agree

Re: Carl Akeley’s fight to the death with a leopard (1923)

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Post by lazide »

krisoft wrote: post #31
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #30

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> Accounts that glorified the "adventure" of going into their habitats, killing their prey, and then shooting them with gun powder and a metal slug. Except for the gun powder and metal slugs, that “adventure” is the story of humanity’s rise and spread. Humans are native to only a very small part of the world. We became the way we are because humans did go into new habitats, challenged the apex predators, took their p…

> that “adventure” is the story of humanity’s rise and spread. It is a very different story when one kills a predator to make a new safe living space for themselves and their family. The person in question had a safe and comfortable place to live and went out of their way to kill a sentient being and then left the area thus secured. One is about necessity and the other is a blood sport.

How do you figure humanity spreads if it never leaves those safe spaces?

Re: Carl Akeley’s fight to the death with a leopard (1923)

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Post by MPSimmons »

itrollpussies wrote: post #44
Lordarminius wrote: post #32

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Leopards feel pity ? That is absolute nonsense.

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Most humans, if they were hungry enough and in a position to do so, would kill and eat a baby impala, too. But humans can have and feel pity.
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